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Re: RCMP Pre-Employment Polygraph Examinations Expose!
Reply #15 - Jul 10th, 2017 at 4:30am
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xenonman wrote on Dec 29th, 2016 at 10:39am:
In the Canadian government, does one have the choice to be polygraphed in either English or in French? Wink

Yes, if you’re applying from Quebec and only speak French, for example to CSIS at a regional office in Quebec, then they would have to offer testing in your official language of choice (French). CSIS is an offshoot of the RCMP.

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Merci pour vos informations.  Et au Quebec, la RCMP
naturellement c'est la GRC! Combien des polygraphes peuvent parler francais?   Grin
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Re: RCMP Pre-Employment Polygraph Examinations Expose!
Reply #16 - Apr 5th, 2018 at 5:22am
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RCMP Pre-Employment Polygraph (PEP) Details

Training Program: Canadian Police College Polygraph School or an Accredited Polygraph Association.

Examiner Certification: Canadian Association of Police Polygraphists’ (CAPP) membership.

Technique Used and Format: Reverse Control Interviewing Technique as taught during the Polygraph Examiners Course at the Canadian Police College since 1997. It is a special investigative interviewing technique designed to ferret out previously undisclosed information. The Pre-Employment polygraph test utilizes the Directed Lie Screening Test format.

Policy: All Regular Member applicants are polygraph tested in accordance with the RCMP protocol and procedures outlined in the Truth Verification Section (TVS) Standard Operating Guidelines (SOGs), PEP Manual and Directed Lie Screening Test (DLST) Examiner Guidelines.

PEP Quality Assurance Review Checklist

Introduction: Examiners must follow the structured RCMP PEP pre-examination.

Consent Forms: Examiners must present/explain all PEP consent forms during the appropriate stages of the pre-examination.

Background: General questions.

Explanation of Instrument: All examiners should present the Chocolate Crumb Analogy (as outlined in the SOGs) prior to developing the questions in the Examiner’s Question Booklet.

Development of Applicant Examiner Question Booklet: All examiners must properly develop the questions in the applicant’s question booklet utilizing the Reverse Control Technique.

Question Review/Test Procedure: Thoroughly review all relevant questions as outlined in the RCMP PEP manual. Present directed lie control questions as outlined in the RCMP PEP manual. Follow review order as outlined in the RCMP PEP manual. Relevant question formulation/wording for Subtest A, B, and C must follow the guidelines as set out in the RCMP PEP manual.

Double Verification Test (DVT) (Demonstration Test): Conduct the directed lie acquaintance / demonstration test using numbers on paper as outlined in the RCMP PEP manual.

In-Test Procedure: Includes total time spent conducting the PEP examination.

Scoring: Utilize the Empirical Scoring System (ESS) scoring system as outlined in the Directed Lie Screening Test – Examiner Guide 2012-07-05. All examiners must follow the structured Directed Lie Screening Test (DLST) format as outlined in the RCMP PEP manual.

Post Examination Interview: Post examination interviews should be non-accusatory/non-confrontational. Post examination interviews should serve as a means of flushing out deliberately concealed information.

Polygraph Report: Examiners must complete an accurate, detailed polygraph report written in narrative format.

Contractor Procedure:

At time of interview, the [polygraph contractor] shall:

Determine the suitability of the applicant to undergo a polygraph examination. Medical questions to be provided by the RCMP;

Perform a pre-test interview with the applicant. These interviews will include a specific range of pre-established and approved questions and utilize the ‘reverse control technique’;

Administer the polygraph examination;

Evaluate the results of the examination and perform a post-test interview if the results are considered uncertain and require clarification; and

Complete a report on the results of the pre-test and post-test results immediately and thereafter submit to the RCMP Project Authority. Report template to be provided by the RCMP.

Follow and consistently meet existing RCMP Standard Operating Guidelines for Pre-Employment Polygraph testing - copy to be provided by RCMP Project Authority upon issuance of standing offer. Regular Quality Assurance Reviews will be conducted to verify that work output meets the existing RCMP Standard Operating Guidelines for Pre-Employment Polygraph testing.

Conduct the Pre-Employment polygraph test using the ‘Reverse Control Technique’ and utilize the Directed Lie Screening Test format. Must consistently meet the Standard Operating guideline threshold for Pre-Employment Polygraph Testing as determined through regular Quality Assurance Reviews conducted by the Project authority or his designate.


Can any experts comment on the Reverse Control Technique?

Can any experts also comment on the structured Directed Lie Screening Test (DLST) format for the PEP?
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Re: RCMP Pre-Employment Polygraph Examinations Expose!
Reply #17 - Apr 17th, 2019 at 1:37am
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If you fail a rcmp polygraph and receive a 4 year ban? Reasoning would be why?
Also can it affect you in family court ?
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Reply #18 - Aug 20th, 2022 at 3:18am
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Most RCMP PEP polygraphs are now done by contractors. The pre-test interview procedure (going over the RMAQ questionnaire) varies. Sometimes you are left alone with question categories under the different form sections to think about what else you might want to add and then write it down after some initial prompting; other times they go through all the questions one by one with you. I suspect they will phase out the polygraph over the next few years. Mention of it has already been removed from the "How to apply to become an RCMP officer" page at:

The recruiter will just quote what is in the applicant PEP booklet or information sheet (which incidentally was initially developed by a US polygraph company word for word).

The machine does not and cannot show deception. The machine shows a physiological response which can be deemed a significant response by the examiner. If the examiner really doesn't like you, then he (never saw a she), might conduct a post-test interrogation essentially asking which question you think that you reacted to the most, why do you think you reacted to that question, and asking you, "when was the last time that you...", looking for any admissions. If the examiner likes you then nothing will be said and the Significant Response (SR) will simply be noted in the report. There's a reason why the PEP is done by independent contractors and it's to avoid that first scenario.

In both cases it's not possible to really "fail" the lifestyle scope polygraph step without making significant admissions (the exception being US CI (counterintelligence) scope polygraphs where you can fail by chart point scoring alone). It's just an enhanced lifestyle background interview with props and a flair for the dramatic. The report then goes to recruiting to review. Before, when they had RMs like Sergeants do it in house, that person could literally pick up the phone, call the Recruiting Corporal and influence the file, but now it's probably all contractors submitting a written report reviewed by a civilian analyst. At best it can be inconclusive solely going by the machine so you might not "pass". What would happen is that someone in recruiting would review the report (for new disclosures) and decide if it's a deferral or whether you continue on to the next step.

It used to be something like this in general:
NRPC – Suitability reviews the RMAQ.

NRPC – Processing will save the results to the applicant's folder.
If the applicant is not recommended, then the application is closed.
If the applicant is recommended, then the application will move forward to TVS.
TVS will administer the PEP.

NRPC – Processing will save the results to the applicant's folder and the application will move forward to NRPC - Suitability.
NRPC – Suitability reviews the PEP results.

NRPC – Processing will save the results to the applicant's folder.
If the applicant is not recommended, then the application is closed.
If the applicant is recommended, then the application will move forward to DSB and divisional Health Services, concurrently.

No one can identify true "signs of deception", not the machine, not the examiner, and sometimes not even the applicant. It's a true wilderness of mirrors!

Here is an example of how accurate the RCMP pre-employment polygraph PEP examination is:

Seangio began his training at the RCMP Depot in June 2016 and later that year was posted to the Richmond, B.C. detachment, one of the largest in the country.

Indeed, many of the charges against Seangio laid by Ottawa police predate him becoming an RCMP police officer.

Ottawa police allege the offences span from 2011 to 2018.
Seangio joined the Richmond RCMP in 2016 (this means he did the PEP within 12 months of June 2016). Yet, the suspended RCMP officer has been charged with 34 counts of voyeurism and three counts of sexual assault involving six women known to him. According to the Ottawa Police Service (OPS), the alleged offences in Ottawa occurred between 2011 and 2018 while he was living in that city.

The RCMP Member went through the PEP stage AFTER the Ottawa incidents took place. This is probably the best example of how useless the RCMP PEP stage and polygraph truly is. It detected nothing and the guy most likely had zero training about how to defeat it. It's true, you only need to be relaxed and confident to pass. And of course, make no admissions (the only way to really "fail" the RCMP PEP).


Here is a great report about the RCMP (Regular Member) RM recruitment process. I think it's worth a read:

The most interesting piece is this "2018: Acceptance of "Significant Reactions" during the PEP". It basically means the polygraph is as useless as everyone knew it was and the only way to "fail" that step is if you make disqualifying admissions, which would disqualify you before the PEP ever happened or shortly thereafter if disclosed later. In other words, it's literally impossible to fail the PEP from the machine results or the polygraph operator's opinion alone. It's not like in the movies at all. I have personally done polygraphs several times with different examiners and I know it can be completely different depending on who does it. Or wait..."2019: Pilot to implement Eye Detect technology as a way to supplement the PEP"; maybe it really is like in Blade Runner and The Recruit! If you want to become an Intelligence Analyst, all of those positions are now civilian and don't even require a polygraph for the Top Secret RCMP clearance.

Appendix A – Major changes to RM recruitment

Changes to the organizational and program structure:

2004: Establishment of the lateral entry program
2006: Establishment of the NRP as a policy centre
2012: Establishment of the NRPC in Regina
2013: Establishment of the Experienced Police Officer Program
2014: Establishment of the Final Application Status Tracking (FAST) team
2014: Establishment of appeals process
2015: Establishment of the Aboriginal Applicant Mentorship Program
2016: Opportunity for applicants from E, K, F and D Divisions to select their home province for their first posting
2016: Decision to increase troops to 40 per year
2017: Establishment of the Business Intelligence Unit
2017: Pilot to centralize medical assessments at NHQ
2017: Transfer of the Aboriginal Applicant Mentorship Program to National Aboriginal Policing Services (in C&IP)
2018: Pilot of the Enhanced Training of Francophone Troop.

Changes to the process:

2013: Granting of conditional troop offers
2016: Electronic intake of applications and forms
2016: Implementation of Cognos
2016: Removal of conditional offers
2018: Implementation of ATS
2018: Decision to start the security clearance stage once medical has been completed
2018: Acceptance of "Significant Reactions" during the PEP
2019: Pilot to send unilingual French applicants for a 13 week intensive English language training prior to going to Depot
2019: Pilot to implement Eye Detect technology as a way to supplement the PEP

Changes to application requirements:

2013: Removal of mandatory requirement for applicants to attend a career presentation
2015: Requirement for applicants to complete hearing and vision exam before applying
2016: Acceptance of applicants who are permanent residents of Canada

Changes to the assessment tools:

2015: Requirement for applicants to pass PARE before applying
2015: Exemption of RPAT for applicants with university degrees
2016: Exemption of RPAT for applicants with a college diploma
2016: Removal of PARE requirement before applying
2016: Removal of RMSI (face-to-face interview)
2018: Establishment of the Right-Fit interview

RCMP police officer recruitment process map diagram, current in 2020 (rarely changes much):
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Reply #19 - Aug 21st, 2022 at 6:59am
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The polygraph and PEP has now been removed from the RCMP recruitment process as of summer 2022.

"Regina’s RCMP Academy, known as the Depot Department, has integrated and rescheduled training this spring to reduce the number of new hires. When it comes to pre-employment requirements, the polygraph test is also removed.

“We are actively adopting RCMP,” RCMP spokeswoman Robin Percival told CTV National News. “Work is underway to modernize the applicant’s evaluation process while maintaining rigor.”


Polygraph PEP is not longer listed in application and selection process:

Application process
Once you have successfully completed your vision and hearing exams and you have the forms confirming that you meet the minimum requirements, you are ready to apply! Please keep your completed forms until they are requested from you. In order to help you along the way, we have created the following checklist to help you understand the recruiting process and to help you keep organized.

Step One: Get the ball rolling: Submit an online application
All applicants must apply online.

You will need to create a GC jobs account to complete your online application.

The RCMP job posting for police officers is on the Government of Canada's Jobs website. To find the posting:

Search "police officer" under "Job title"
Look under the "Jobs open to the public" tab in the search results
You may be screened out of the recruitment process:

if you do not have your vision and hearing assessments and vision and hearing forms completed
as a result of the responses provided in your online application
If your application is screened out at this step, you must wait six months before re-applying.

If you have questions about the application process, you are encouraged to attend a recruiting event or to contact a recruiter before submitting your online application.

Step Two: Learn more about a career in policing: Attend a career presentation and complete the RCMP online entrance assessment
Once you have been screened into the process, you will be invited to attend a career presentation and complete the RCMP Online Entrance Assessment.

During the career presentation, you will learn more about a career in policing and you will be able to discuss any questions or concerns you may have with a proactive recruiter.

You will receive an email from a recruiter that will include the link to the RCMP Online Entrance Assessment. You will have 14 days to complete the online assessment from the date you receive the link.

Step Three: All that paperwork: Submit the required forms and documents
If the RCMP selects you to continue in the process, you will be asked to submit all forms and documents within 2 business days. Do not attempt to submit these forms and documents until they are requested from you.
Step Four: Tell us about yourself: Complete a suitability assessment and undergo a Right Fit Interview
This stage assesses whether you possess the core competencies, core values, and traits required of an RCMP police officer. This stage consists of two interviews:

the RMAQ (Regular Member Applicant Questionnaire) Interview and;
the RFI (Right Fit Interview).
The RMAQ Interview lets us know if there are actions or behaviours, from your past, that could prevent you from becoming an RCMP police officer. Following a review of your RMAQ, an interview will assess the severity, recency and repetitive nature of your actions. A heavy focus is placed on honesty. It is strongly recommended that you disclose all actions and behaviors in your RMAQ.

The RFI is an interview designed to evaluate your ability to meet standards in eight core competencies. You will be required to respond to both behavioural and situational questions using the STAR and ARC articulation methods.

Step Five: Honesty is the best policy: Complete various background checks
Your employers (previous and current) and references will be contacted as part of the background check. It will contribute to verifying your honesty.

Step Six: Make sure you are healthy: Undergo medical and psychological assessments
You will need to see RCMP-designated physicians and psychologists for a health assessment, including full medical and psychological exams. The RCMP will cover the cost of these exams. If successful at this stage, you will receive your medical clearance.

Step Seven: You're almost at the finish line: Undergo a field investigation and security assessment
The final step in the application process is a field investigation and security assessment. The RCMP will conduct a thorough investigation into your background to help assess your suitability. If successful, you will receive your security clearance.

Once you have passed all the application and assessment steps you will be contacted to attend the RCMP Cadet Training Program.

Returning applicants
If you applied to become a police officer of the RCMP in the past and would like to resume your application process, please review the process for returning applicants.

To speak with a recruiter before submitting your application, you can attend one of the many recruiting events held across the country.

Questions about your application?
Contact your local recruiting office.
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Reply #20 - Aug 21st, 2022 at 7:16am
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"The day of the glorious red serge and everybody wants to be a Mountie; everybody does not want to be a police officer today or an RCMP member."

Known as Depot Division, the RCMP academy in Regina consolidated and rescheduled training this spring to deal with fewer recruits. Once a pre-employment requirement, polygraph tests are also being dropped.

"The RCMP is in for a reckoning," Michael Boudreau, a criminologist at St. Thomas University in Fredericton told CTV National News. "I think the RCMP needs to overhaul its entire organization and to rethink what it does as policing."

"They need to be out of policing provinces and out of policing municipalities," Robert Gordon, a criminologist at Simon Fraser University added.

Manitoba's justice minister told CTV News Winnipeg he is very concerned with the province's high RCMP vacancy rate, and plans to continue raising the issue with the federal government to secure more officers.

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