pailryder wrote on Jun 25^th, 2011 at 12:42pm:

I concur that if somebody is haphazard in the execution of a countermeasure, it could very well show up on the chart as an anomaly detectable by the examiner; practice and refinement are paramount.

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You are correct.  The challenge made would be someone that had PRACTICE AND REFINEMENT.  That would be a no win contest.  The average person reading this site does not have practice and refinement in use of CM's.

I don't remember the EXACT questions, but they were similar to what was mentioned in TLBTLD.  What does it matter?  I agree with a previous post that without proper training and practice, using CMs is dangerous.  This site has been up for years and is now one of the top Google hits for the word "polygraph", so I bet most people who have to take a polygraph come to this site for help, and the polygraphers visit too.  For a person, like me, to think that they can just waltz into a polygraph and use the CMs from this site without any practice (and just sitting at home practicing on my own doesn't count, we need to actually practice on a polygraph machine) is foolish.  The polygraphers know the game and they have seen people like me before trying to use CMs as described all over this site and the internet.  I'm sure a few people can use then for the first time and succeed but for the rest of us you are playing with fire.  CMs have been around for years, nothing new, and I got caught.  Maybe mental CMs will work, but breating and tongue biting and other stuff from TLBTLD is a no go.  Especially if you are nervous going into your poly and are doing this for the first time, you will be caught red handed as I was.  Unless you are adequately prepared and have been trained on CMs, don't think that you are using "secret CMs" that the polygraph vets have never seen before.

If not "detected", they can be "strongly suspected".  Either way you will get the boot.  You can argue that "strongly suspected" is nothing more than a wild ass guess, but that wild guess is always in favor of the polygrapher.  So if the polygrapher even thinks you are using CMs, you are done.  I think that I was "strongly suspected" because after my interrogation and being accused of altering my breathing, I was asked if I would be willing to come in for another polygraph, to which I said "yes".  Well, I was never invited back in for another poly, I was later rejected instead.  You can roll the dice if you want to...

figs wrote on Jun 28^th, 2011 at 9:50pm:

Those were my words. I had to admit to Bill Brown and Pailryder that countermeasures require practice and refinement. I do believe this to be true. Haphazard countermeasures should not be attempted.

Interesting theory. But National Center for Credibility Assessment research says nothing about quality of CMs. 

Instead, federal polygraphers research proves CMs from TLBTLD can't be detected.   

Pple reading this forum can either believe that research, or they can believe that their CMs won't be good enough. "Oh, I'm so skeered my CMs won't be QUALITY. Will I suddenly forget how to breathe? Breathing is so hard. Maybe I'll just trust the NICE MAN who'se strapping chains bands around my chest now." 

figs wrote on Jun 29^th, 2011 at 12:41am:

Figs, "haphazard" is not a measure of quality. It is a lacking of plan, order or direction.