I'd like to hear stories from anyone who has taken a polygraph exam in Seattle, with Mr. Mungle, for the position of Border Patrol Agent.   

I met with Mungle last month - my last step (+ PF2) in the long, tiring process of trying to become a BP Agent.  Mungle will flash his I.D., his badge, and even his arrogance.  He will ensure you know he has been doing this job over 20 years.  He will tell you that he is very direct, and that he doesn't play games.  He will ask why you're so jumpy.  You try sitting in this chair Mungle, see how long your back can take it before you become jumpy.  As you can see, there wasn't really anything about this guy that impressed me.  I was ready to leave after listening to him for about 5 minutes.  Having nothing to hide, and giving completely honest answers to every question asked, I was advised that I was not telling him something regarding my SF-86, basically that I had ommitted information.  In addition to this, I was advised that I was not being completely honest regarding drug use.  Mungle wanted answers...I had none for him.  I was basically being called a liar to my face, when in actuality, I was being completely honest.  Mungle said if I told him what I was hiding, everything would be fine, and I could get through the process.  Again, I had no answers for him...I was completely truthful on my background paperwork, did not omit anything as he stated, and did not lie regarding my drug use.  Mungle ended the exam, and advised me that he couldn't help me any further if I wasn't going to give him the information he wanted to hear.  I was shocked, angry, and devastated that this guy was going to sit here and call me a liar to my face when I did nothing but tell the truth.  I left totally dejected, bewildered, knowing that I had gotten this far in the process, just to have it ended for what reasons I still have no idea.   

I have read messages regarding applicants who lied and passed, as well as those who were truthful and failed.  Unfortunately, I fell into the latter category.  It's unfortunate that my future fell into the hands of Mungle, and a cracker jack contraption that portrayed me as a liar.  Thanks for absolutely nothing ahole.   

"Mungle ended the exam, and advised me that he couldn't help me any further if I wasn't going to give him the information he wanted to hear."

Sounds exactly like my examiner when I took the FBI poly. The above tactic is common among examiners. These folks DO NOT have your best interests at heart nor is their intention to "help" you.

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Does anyone know if Firedup's polygraph charts can be obtained through the Freedom of Information Act?

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I put the question out there, but the silence is deafening. Maybe this is one road they don't want anyone to go down.

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Firedup, why don't you try? Insist that you get the charts--why would they be immune to the law? Once obtained, I'll be happy to give them my scrutiny. I'm one person that will NOT B.S. you, rest assured.

Same thing happened to me back in 1997/1998 except for the US Secret Service.  I too received the letter of regret.  I am glad their ploy is being exposed.  I would love to join a class action lawsuit if it were possible.

firedup,

I am not surprised by your post. I'm certain they will not give up the charts because they don't want somebody like me critiquing them.

I'm not so versed on the FOIA, but think George had similar results. You may want to consider applying some political pressure like writing to your congressman and CC'ing the director of the office where you applied as well as the charlatan himself. They may still dig in their heels, but it will illuminate their shenanigans. Sparking the curiosity of an investigative reporter may also stir things up.

This is my first time on this site and I have seen so many folks whose lives are being very negatively effected by what must certainly be called a "very questionable" evaluation method if not an outright failure. I will say that anyone posting should try and refrain from letting their (righteous) anger direct them towards ad hominem commentary. These polygraph administrators are contributing to the downfall of civil society and are saying we are all liars (ad hominem from their end) and I refuse to attack them in any way except what is factual. They are perverse in their actions and dishonest in their efforts to evoke honesty, disingenuous is too kind a word for them and their ilk. I think the idea of contacting our state and federal officials is a good idea, perhaps even contacting the "county of testing" board members as well. Good luck to everyone who has been so tarnished by the mendacity of this charlatan science.