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Poll Question: If you are a convicted "Sex Offender" who is "convicted with you?"



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Reply #15 - Jun 13th, 2012 at 6:30am
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Just read this thread. I have an idea, and hopefully you guys can help me flesh it out more. What about making an informational post for Facebook? If someone could find a petion website or just start our own petion (not sure exactly how that works electronically but might know someone that does) we could add that to the end. Topics can spread like wildfire on Facebook. At the very least we could spread awareness of the problems of polygraph testing. Just a thought.
  
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Reply #16 - Jun 14th, 2012 at 12:25am
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There are so many people that are in this mess, you would think that eventually there will be more of "us" than "them".
I am talking about everyone, including all the families and children of the convicted ones who are being hurt by these ridiculous penalties! Let people move on and recover. Quit this lifetime probation, polygraph, registration nonsense! With all the websites and complaining why are we still losing? I suffer in silence all the time.  Lips Sealed I wish I could get together more families and start informing legislators what it does to the innocent loved ones trapped in this hell with the (I hate to use this label) "SO".
  
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Reply #17 - Jun 14th, 2012 at 12:47am
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Please take the poll...it will be interesting! Add comments if  you can...
  
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Reply #18 - Jun 14th, 2012 at 1:00am
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Darn... I forgot to add the victims to the poll...the victims are in our family so they suffer the "no contact," what a nightmare for the coming and going of everyone! UGH! 8 yrs later..they work up to being able to have contact  and then they take it away...Even they think this is stupid! Go figure... and no one listens to them. PS. We like to call ourselves survivors now! 
  
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Reply #19 - Jun 14th, 2012 at 1:28am
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You may wish to think about the "Victims".  Holding yourself up as a victim indicates to me that you need protection.  The OFFENDER that created this nightmare is the one you are holding out to be a victim (of the system).  I have sympathy for you and your family and hold your significant other responsible for your current plight.  He and he alone is responsible for this victimization of you and your family.  Let him bear that load, walk away from any guilt, you did nothing wrong, he is totally responsible for his actions. 

Treatment providers and probation/parole officers are there to protect you and the rest of society from further victimization. 
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Reply #20 - Jun 14th, 2012 at 1:48am
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Bill,
This is very well put, sane and thought provoking, thankyou.
  
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Reply #21 - Jun 15th, 2012 at 5:13pm
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Bill,

After some reflection, I find that this is somewhat idealistic. I'm very aware of the containment model, where probation/parole officers work in concert with treatment providers and polygraphers. Ostensibly, it sounds like a nice idea, but in practice, you have many probation/parole officers who are complete jerks, treatment providers whose methodologies are still embryonic and many polygraphers who possess unprofessional attributes demonstrated by the vile and silly comments in this forum. There seems to be an imbalance in this triad as more weight appears to be given to the polygrapher and his opinions, often resulting in revocation, therein lies the injustice.

So, yes, the offender must take responsibility, but they are human, and humans can only endure so many onerous conditions, which can reach a point where they contribute to the pathology rather than the treatment.

In order to reintegrate them into society, they must be have some remnant of human dignity, not stigmatized, as many in society would prefer that they be put into concentration camps. I have long believed that those who hate sex offenders the most, are the ones who have their own share of skeletons in the closet.
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Reply #22 - Jun 15th, 2012 at 8:04pm
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Stefano,

We agree on several points, and I don't "Hate" sex offenders myself.  I do hold them responsible for their acts.  I disagree with our justice system requiring lifetime probation and polygraphs.  As with any other crime, there should be a set  number of months or years dependent on the seriousness of the offense.  The exception to this would be repeat offenders that do not learn from past behaviors.  Some jurisdictions have these guidelines. 

An offender that is progressing in treatment should be given more responsibility in interacting with members of his family and the interactions should be monitored to insure there are no violations.  The family should also be in treatment to learn how to protect against further victimization and how to recognize the thinking errors of their family member   Again the treatment provider should have the final word on this, not a probation/parole officer and definitely not a polygraph examiner. 

As I have often repeated, polygraph is only a tool and should never be used as a final determinant of any life changing decision.  Probation/parole should conduct inquiries and find facts along with the treatment providers recommendations.  Polygraph only points these individuals in the direction of a possible infraction, and it is the responsibility of the rest of that team to find the true facts.  Admissions in a polygraph examination to violations of treatment or probation should be used and the offender should be held accountable.  This is why I audio/video all examination I conduct.  There is no debate if this condition is met. 

Yes we do agree that sexual offenders are humans and should be treated fairly, not as less than human and stigmatized further. They are accountable and they have made victims of their families and significant others.  A family should be treated with the utmost respect and all efforts to assist them should be made by "we the people" and all government agencies.  They deserve no less. 

A side note:  I was involved in sex offender treatment as a polygraph examiner in my early career.  I am currently not involved with treatment or containment of sex offenders.
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