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What is the standard testing format in sex offender polygraphs?
Mar 8th, 2011 at 8:28pm
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I was a minor and had a partner just a couple years younger. and got hit with this. Im not trying to get away with anything, i just want to make sure i can remain free for the entirety of my parole.
What is the most common testing format. What is a good way to discern the control questions, because most of the testing seems a lot different from the polygraphs i have taken. Anyone have any good advice?
  
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Reply #1 - Mar 10th, 2011 at 3:09am
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Go to the main page, and click on publications on the left hand menu. Download and read "The Lie Behind the Lie Detector." This is all you need.
  
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Reply #2 - Mar 11th, 2011 at 4:47am
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I've read the book many times, but it still leaves me uneasy, because some of the tests i have taken i havent been able to tell what the control questions were. I figured that if i had a format that they use it would better my ability to recognize. Sometimes i think the control questions some polygraphers use are just to trick you into admitting if you relevant is too far below.

a side note to those who don't understand the sotp- Judge has rule. They believe what the council presents, My defense lawyer believes what ever my Sotp submits, and My sotp believes what ever the polygraph says.
  
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There are two main types of tests
Reply #3 - Mar 17th, 2011 at 2:15am
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The first test sex offenders are given is called the "full disclosure test." That is where you are asked to make a list of every sexual partner/sexual behavior you ever did. Then they ask you, "Other than the things you already admitted to, did you have any other sexual partners/acts?"

Once you have passed the first test and gone through treatment for a while you will get the other type of test, called "maintenance polygraph." They ask you what bad things you have done (say looked at pornography), and then ask you, "Other than those times you already admitted to, did you look at pornography any other times?"

Please understand that the polygraph does not give accurate results. You are not safe just because you already admitted everything. You need to get fully prepared to take the test. If you study the book "The lie behind the lie detector" (especially chapter 3 and 4) you will know how to recognize the different types of questions and how to respond to each one, but here are some examples from my polygraph test last month:

Before I got to the test I had already practiced shallow breathing (2-4 seconds per breath). I breathed out for a count of one, two and in for a count of three, four. One, two, three, four. One, two, three, four. Find a breathing pattern that works for you and practice it at least a few times before you go in there. It is actually kind of nice concentrating on your breathing and counting your breaths. Like meditation. 

Irrelevant question: Is your name Chuckles?
Response: keep up the breathing pattern and say "yes" (keeping mind blank afterwards)

Control question: "Did you ever lie to get out of trouble?"
Response: think scary thoughts about getting my balls bitten off by a zombie and say "no," breathe funny and bite my tongue. Continue the augmentation until about time for the next question.

Relevant question: "Have you drank alcohol or used drugs since starting the program?"
Response: keep up the breathing pattern and say "no" (keeping mind blank afterwards)

That's it. If you are someone who has a hard time keeping his mind blank, then pick a nice thought to think during the blank mind times. Imagine petting a cat. Imagine floating in a warm pool on a quiet sunny day. If you use a calm thought, pick it before the test and practice it when you practice your breathing.

You will find when you take the test that the irrelevant questions are the easiest. All you do is answer the question and keep up the breathing pattern. The relevant questions are also easy. Just answer the way they want to hear and keep up the breathing pattern and calm thought. Once you have answered the question there is no need to dwell on the question at all. Just let it float away and concentrate on your breathing.

In contrast, the control questions are hard! For starters, the question is ambiguous, and the examiner may even tell you to lie (in order to see what you look like when you lie he may say). Plus you have to remember to think the scary thought and to slyly bite your tongue and to mess your breathing up according to your prepared plan. Am I doing it right? Did I augment enough? Did he see my mouth move? All that spinning through your mind will cause the squiggly things on the computer to be larger than the squiggly things corresponding to the relevant question, and that is the reason we augment.

My only other advice is to be confident. Read the suggestions in the book about how guilty liars look and how honest people look. Do NOT make excuses (I'm sick today. I have a nervous condition). Be well groomed, friendly and businesslike. Remember to be polite on the outside, but on the inside you can scoff at the foolish polygraph examiner. He is an moron who has chosen to waste his life traveling around trying to bully people with bullshit. Look down on him. Don't be afraid of his witch doctoring.
  

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Reply #4 - Mar 19th, 2011 at 10:05pm
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I am just at the point that i want to keep my freedom. I have taken quite a few maintainance polygraphs, thanks for your insights mr. chuckles. Any more information is great. Do they usually use a ZCQT? I did my full disclosure a while ago, it's just maintainance.
  

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Reply #5 - Mar 20th, 2011 at 4:25am
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What is ZCQT?

Since you have taken so many maintainance polygraph exams, you already know what is up. After reading your question I think that you might be trying to figure out what questions will be asked and how to tell if they are a control question or not. I think it is very hard to predict what the exact control questions might be, but they are fairly easy to recognize. A control question is a question that is usually hard to pin down an answer to, and even if you answered differently on the question you wouldn't be in trouble.

For example, "Did you ever lie to get out of trouble" is a good control question. It is vague and even if it were discovered that sometime (maybe 10 years ago) you lied to get out of trouble, it would not get you into trouble today.

In contrast, "Did you lie to your parole officer in the past year," would be a relevant question, because it is more specific and if it were discovered that you lied to your parole officer in the last year you would be in trouble. 

Another example, "Did you ever take something that wasn't yours," would be a good control question, because it is very general dd,  if me spetek
  

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Reply #6 - Mar 20th, 2011 at 7:51am
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Yeah you are completely right mr. chuckles, I cam across this website after they granted me internet permission. As for ZCQT is zone control question test, it's a test that is under the control question test. I just want to make sure I apply the counter measures properly. I don't want any prolbems. And as for others, we may have a problem, but we are still human bro, we are in treatment to get better, just sometimes they have rules that are ridiculous, ya know?
  

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Reply #7 - Mar 20th, 2011 at 3:41pm
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isn't that nice- one convicted sex offender helping another.  George must be very proud.  Wouldn't it be funny if one of these offenders "beats" his PCSOT poly then rapes the child of one of George's followers?  Or even one of George's kids?  What poetic justice THAT would be.
  
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Reply #8 - Mar 20th, 2011 at 3:43pm
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Sorry about the garbled end to my last post, guess I fell asleep while I was writing Roll Eyes. Thanks for clarifying ZCQT, tho I will probably forget it by the next poly. I don't want to know the terminology, that way I can't mistakenly use it in during a polygraph exam and make the examiner suspicious. Mentioning ZCQT during an exam would be like mentioning a flux capacitor in front of Marty McFly - he would instantly know that you know more than you should.

I am like you. I still have my problems and struggles and I actually do try to participate in the program and try to learn about myself and become a better person. I really don't have that many beefs about the program in general, except for them requiring the polygraph exams.
  

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Reply #9 - Mar 20th, 2011 at 3:55pm
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Chuckles wrote on Mar 20th, 2011 at 3:43pm:


I am like you. I still have my problems and struggles and I actually do try to participate in the program and try to learn about myself and become a better person. 


You actually "do try to participate in the program"?  Is that like you actually do try not to rape or sodomize children?  What you need is forced sterilization!
  
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Reply #10 - Mar 20th, 2011 at 4:40pm
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Hey quickfix,

There was a time when I tried to pass the polygraph exam by telling the truth. Actually two exams I told the truth and was found to be "deceptive." I got into a shit load of trouble over that, which made me very resentful towards my therapists and towards people who tell me that the polygraph is almost always reliable. They wasted many hours of our therapy group sessions guessing what it was that I must have lied about. They threatened me and disrespected me and pissed me off so much that I thought about quitting the group and just finishing my time in prison and then reentering society without any forced therapy requirements.

I did not learn how to do counter measures to get away with anything. I didn't follow the rules because I thought I would get into trouble if I broke them. I followed the rules because I am trying to build a new life for myself that does not include drugs, alcohol, pornography, prostitutes or any of the stuff that they ask us to stay away from. I am trying to make myself into a better person.

I am the kind of person that the polygraph really screws over. The kind of person who tries his best to be as honest as possible, who would rather admit to the most petty little bad thought than have an reservations going in to the polygraph test. I went crazy preparing for the polygraph and went even more crazy when I was attacked for not passing it. If it hadn't been for someone mentioning antipolygraph.org on reddit.com, I would still have no idea how they work and I might not have passed my last one.

But people who are big liars don't wait until they fail a couple of polygraph tests to look it up. They are rewarded with a quickness because google it right off and learn how to use countermeasures before their first test. This is one of the biggest drawbacks to the polygraph test - honest people who trust it are likely to fail, while big liars who do their homework are likely to pass it.

The rape of children is a terrible and sad crime. You sound like you take it pretty lightly and wish it on other people. I don't know you, but I have a feeling you could stand to work on your empathy. I could be wrong, maybe you were just trying to make a point.

  

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Reply #11 - Mar 21st, 2011 at 11:54pm
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quickfix wrote on Mar 20th, 2011 at 3:41pm:
isn't that nice- one convicted sex offender helping another.George must be very proud.Wouldn't it be funny if one of these offenders "beats" his PCSOT poly then rapes the child of one of George's followers?Or even one of George's kids?What poetic justice THAT would be. 


Your comments are typical of the prevailing witch hunt mentality. I'm not sure who I would trust my kids with more, a sex offender in treatment or an individual with such hate and anger bubbling just below the surface.
  
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Reply #12 - Mar 22nd, 2011 at 6:44pm
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I believe the lack of education on the behalf of most people. It leads to this mentality, when every politician rides on the backs of sex offenders to get elected. Tough on RSO sells. Our news and media uses this same propoganda to get ratings. But so is our society. Even though The reoffend rating of sex offenders is about 7%, and the only class of offenders less likely to offend are murderers. Statistically speaking.
It's easy to hate sex offenders, and it's easy to lump all offenders as predatory and pedofilic. Thats a small minority of offenders.
I hope that quickfix can get the help they need.
Side note as well. A reason polygraphy is used with offenders, is because the fear of going away reduces reoffending.
That fear is unhealthy for most people, especially those with pre existing mental health conditions often get worse.
  

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Reply #13 - Mar 22nd, 2011 at 9:50pm
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You may not know that quickfix is a polygraph operator. He has posted on these boards many times. I don't remember him being this vile before though. However the brain is as old as the body and sometimes we forget.
  
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Reply #14 - Mar 23rd, 2011 at 3:49am
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That doesn't surprise me, thank you for bringing that to my attention.
  

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