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alex New User Offline Posts: 3 Joined: Oct 11^th, 2010	can these two countermeasures beat the poly Oct 11^th, 2010 at 6:41am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	i was wandering if someone could beat the poly by using the following two countermeasures, a sedative and biting tongue? i was thinking that a sedative would keep the responces to the relevant questions to a zero while biting tongue would increase the responces to the controll questions. would this work?


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George W. Maschke Global Moderator Online Make-believe science yields make-believe security. Posts: 6230 Joined: Sep 29^th, 2000	Re: can these two countermeasures beat the poly Reply #1 - Oct 11^th, 2010 at 4:52pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	It might work, but I'm not aware of any research on this approach.

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alex New User Offline Posts: 3 Joined: Oct 11^th, 2010	Re: can these two countermeasures beat the poly Reply #2 - Oct 12^th, 2010 at 6:05am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	thanks george would the sedatives really do anything? would they really keep the responces to the relevant questions down? are there any areas that the polygraph tests that the sedatives do not cover?


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George W. Maschke Global Moderator Online Make-believe science yields make-believe security. Posts: 6230 Joined: Sep 29^th, 2000	Re: can these two countermeasures beat the poly Reply #3 - Oct 13^th, 2010 at 4:55am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	As I mentioned, I am not aware of any research on the effects of sedatives on CQT polygraphy. A study of the effects of anti-anxiety drugs on the GKT (Iacono, W.G., Cerri, A.M., Patrick, C.J., & Fleming, J.A. Use of antianxiety drugs as countermeasures in the detection of guilty knowledge. Journal of Applied Psychology, 1992 Feb;77(1):60-4) "showed that drug status had no influence on the outcome of the GKT."

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George W. Maschke Global Moderator Online Make-believe science yields make-believe security. Posts: 6230 Joined: Sep 29^th, 2000	Re: can these two countermeasures beat the poly Reply #4 - Oct 15^th, 2010 at 3:43am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	It has been pointed out to me that a 1981 study showed that a tranquilizer decreased the accuracy of the GKT. See Waid, W.M., Orne, E.C., Cook, M.R., & Orne, M.T. Meprobamate reduces accuracy of physiological detection of deception. Science, 1981, 212, 71-73).

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