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monkeybone New User Offline Posts: 1 Joined: Jan 22^nd, 2009	Most Effective Countermeasure Jan 22^nd, 2009 at 5:29pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	I am soon going to take a polygraph for entrance into a local police department. I have never done anything "terrible" (In my opinion), but I have smoked marijuana more recently than 3 years, so if I admit that I am automatically DQd. What I want to know is what countermeasures have been most effective for people? Please only respond if you have lied, used countermeasures and PASSED a polygraph test.


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T.M. Cullen God Member Offline Posts: 858 Location: Hawaii Joined: Dec 5^th, 2007 Gender:	Re: Most Effective Countermeasure Reply #1 - Jan 22^nd, 2009 at 6:15pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	We don't encourage people to lie on a polygraph. CMs are meant for TRUTHFUL people trying to avoid failing the polygraph. TC

	"There is no direct and unequivocal connection between lying and these physiological states of arousal...(referring to polygraph)." Dr. Phil Zimbardo, Phd, Standford University
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pailryder Especially Senior User Offline Posts: 441 Joined: Jun 5^th, 2006	Re: Most Effective Countermeasure Reply #2 - Jan 22^nd, 2009 at 11:42pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	So, Mr. C. countermeasures are for truthful persons to help me get it right? That's like saying a virgin needs a condom to prevent STD.

	No good social purpose can be served by inventing ways of beating the lie detector or deceiving polygraphers. David Thoreson Lykken
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T.M. Cullen God Member Offline Posts: 858 Location: Hawaii Joined: Dec 5^th, 2007 Gender:	Re: Most Effective Countermeasure Reply #3 - Jan 23^rd, 2009 at 1:05am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	If a person consistently reacts more to relevant questions (despite answering truthfully) versus control questions (which they are expected to lie on), won't he/she fail the test? TC

	"There is no direct and unequivocal connection between lying and these physiological states of arousal...(referring to polygraph)." Dr. Phil Zimbardo, Phd, Standford University
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Sergeant1107 God Member Offline Posts: 730 Location: Connecticut, USA Joined: May 21^st, 2005 Gender:	Re: Most Effective Countermeasure Reply #4 - Jan 23^rd, 2009 at 11:42am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	pailryder wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2009 at 11:42pm: So, Mr. C. countermeasures are for truthful persons to help me get it right? That's like saying a virgin needs a condom to prevent STD. The intent of CM's (as presented by many, though admittedly not all, on this site) is to assist a truthful person in passing their polygraph. The examinee is to answer all questions truthfully, but augment their reactions when answering control questions. If it were a truism that simply telling the truth would automatically enable one to pass a polygraph, I doubt this site would exist.

	Lorsque vous utilisez un argumentum ad hominem, tout le monde sait que vous êtes intellectuellement faillite.
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nopolycop Especially Senior User Offline Posts: 383 Joined: Oct 20^th, 2007	Re: Most Effective Countermeasure Reply #5 - Jan 23^rd, 2009 at 3:53pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Monkeybone: If you want a career in LE, then wait the requisite 3 years. It will harm your chances for future positions if you already have failed a polygraph. Want to do something in the meantime? Go join your local search and rescue unit, volunteer ambulance or fire department. Do some good for society, build up some good references in the public service sector. When 3 years are up, you will be in a much better position.

	"Although the degree of reliability of polygraph evidence may depend upon a variety of identifiable factors, there is simply no way to know in a particular case whether a polygraph examiner's Conclusion is accurate, because certain doubts and uncertainties plague even the best polygraph exams." (Justice Clarence Thomas writing in United States v. Scheffer, 523 U.S. 303, 118 S.Ct. 1261, 140 L.Ed.2d 413, 1998.)
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T.M. Cullen God Member Offline Posts: 858 Location: Hawaii Joined: Dec 5^th, 2007 Gender:	Re: Most Effective Countermeasure Reply #6 - Jan 23^rd, 2009 at 6:23pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	And don't forget the irony of a polygraph operator lying about the accuracy of the polygraph, during the exam. And they say it with such a straight face. "There is only a 2% chance of you lying to me and this machine not picking up on it Tom!", my examiner said as he drew a hokey-pokey pie chart tracing over the 2% portion of the chart. Lying to a person while conducting a so-called test that is supposed to detect lies?

	"There is no direct and unequivocal connection between lying and these physiological states of arousal...(referring to polygraph)." Dr. Phil Zimbardo, Phd, Standford University
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