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anon011 Guest	Polygraphing a polygrapher? Dec 7^th, 2008 at 6:11am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	I was wondering if professional polygraph persons are polygraphed for whatever reasons? Lets say for example a polygraph professional allegedly committed a crime or is trying to apply for a FBI position. Are they administered a polygraph exam? Isn't there federal and state guidelines for this?


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George W. Maschke Global Moderator Offline Make-believe science yields make-believe security. Posts: 6220 Joined: Sep 29^th, 2000	Re: Polygraphing a polygrapher? Reply #1 - Dec 7^th, 2008 at 6:59am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	I've never heard of a polygrapher being polygraphed in the course of a criminal investigation. But federal agencies that require polygraph screening for applicants and employees also polygraph their polygraphers. If only for appearance's sake, they have to.

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pailryder Especially Senior User Offline Posts: 441 Joined: Jun 5^th, 2006	Re: Polygraphing a polygrapher? Reply #2 - Dec 7^th, 2008 at 1:22pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	I polyed a LEA examiner in a criminal matter at the request of his department. DI verified by confession.

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T.M. Cullen God Member Offline Posts: 858 Location: Hawaii Joined: Dec 5^th, 2007 Gender:	Re: Polygraphing a polygrapher? Reply #3 - Dec 7^th, 2008 at 7:37pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	DI verified by confession? How do you know it wasn't a false confession? Was there a follow up investigation? What criminal matter was at issue? Wait a minute. Shouldn't it be the other way around? Shouldn't the confession be verified by the polygraph given it's 98% accuracy rate at detecting deception? And given that a criminal polygraph is really an interrogation designed to get a confession, wouldn't that be using a confession to verify a confession? That there is what ya call a "conundrum"! TC
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anon011 Guest	Re: Polygraphing a polygrapher? Reply #4 - Dec 8^th, 2008 at 12:54am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	OK I'm trying to understand what's going on here. So someone who is or has an understanding of the process of polygraph was under criminal investigation and was polygraphed? That person either after being polygraphed or during the polygraph confessed? Sorry, I don't know what an LEA examiner or DI is. So, if from what I read in the "The Lie Behind the Lie Detector" are true and some emails to head polygraph officials about the scenario about a guy who knows the "interrogation" tactics of polygraph. Shouldn't they 1) not polygraph the guy but since they did 2) couldn't the man under investigation beat the polygraph or 3) at least refuse the polygraph on the basis that it could produce a false positive because he knows the process? Is it because only people who know what countermeasures are can beat the polygraph or at least create false positives?


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