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Re: How do I react to control questions?
Reply #105 - Oct 13th, 2008 at 1:32am
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T.M. Cullen wrote on Oct 13th, 2008 at 1:28am:
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I for one, ( I can't speak for Dr. Maschke ) enjoy your amusing and pompous views.


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Careful TC he might think you are after his genitals too and I have to tell you//........ He's mine dam it and u can't have him  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
  
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Re: How do I react to control questions?
Reply #106 - Oct 13th, 2008 at 2:49am
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I think we are way off track of a polygraph discussion both pro or anti with discussion of genitals.  While it might help the major networks during sweep weeks, it does little to promote a reasonable discussion.

Again, I would urge polygraph proponents to ignore all comments on this site if you are confident of your craft.  There is no reason to negate a negative.  You are only adding to the credibility of this site with every posting that is made.  You are spending time responding to poor losers and liars.  Let it go.  If we are wrong, we will slowly fade away with time.

I will attest that this has to be one of the least censored sites regarding the posting of opposing points of views.  How else could it get the extremely high hits from Google when you put in "polygraph" for a search engine.  I would believe it when I put in "antipolygraph" because it is an antipolygraph site, clear and simple.  I am always amazed how it ranks so high for a "polygraph" site.  It is because so many proponents of the polgyraph keep posting here.  

I would not want to be the "wind beneath the wings" of an anti-polygraph site by posting here if I were a proponent of the use of polygraphs.

A toast (tongue-in-cheek) to those who oppose my opinion.

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Re: How do I react to control questions?
Reply #107 - Oct 22nd, 2008 at 1:45pm
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A few days ago I made a statement indicating that the information in TLBTLD regarding the use of countermeasure was misleading at best.

Addressing Dr. Maschke, I wrote:
SanchoPanza wrote on Oct 12th, 2008 at 5:58pm:
The dishonesty in your statement; Quote:
The countermeasures we’ve discussed produce physiological responses that are indistinguishable from those that polygraphers believe to be associated with truth-telling concerning the relevant issues
lies mainly in your failure to disclose what the examinee must really accomplish while sitting in a polygraph chair, in order to produce a singleindistinguishable response.

The main problem with your advice concerning manufacturing responses to comparison questions is that an examinee who has read your book still has no idea what data collected from his reactivity to relevant questions might look like on the day he is taking the test.

So in order have the remotest possibility of successfully using countermeasures he has to:
1. Read your book to the point that he believes he can accurately follow your instructions and if your techniques actually work, use them to
2. accurately mimic the physiological changes brought about by autonomic arousal and collected by several different sensor components while
3. blindly guessing how much of the technique must be applied in order to be enough to overshadow his reactivity to the relevant questions and how much would be too much in order to avoid suspicion brought about by their conspicuous appearance,
4. in comparison to data collected from a true autonomic reaction that
5. he can’t see and
6. he can’t suppress
7.and repeat the entire process on each comparison question in such a fashion that his manufactured reactions don't all look exactly alike or manufactured.
8. in the presence of a trained examiner
a.thoroughly familiar with the instrumentation of the polygraph,
b.considerable experience looking at collected data, and
c.training in detecting exactly the type of countermeasures you endorse,
9. while the data is being recorded for further review, analysis,and quality control if needed
10. Oh yes, and he has to listen to the questions too.

Does that sound as simple as you make it sound in your book? Looking for something easier to do? Try standing on top of three balanced bowling balls while juggling chain saws. While both might be possible it is unlikely a person would be successful at either just by reading a book about it


Here is what the NAS study had to say: Quote:
Authors such as Maschke and Williams suggest that effective countermeasure strategies can be easily learned and that a small amount of practice is enough to give examinees an excellent chance of “beating” the polygraph. Because the effective application of mental or physical countermeasures on the part of examinees would require skill in distinguishing between relevant and comparison questions, skill in regulating physiological response, and skill in concealing countermeasures from trained examiners, claims that it is easy to train examinees to “beat” both the polygraph and trained examiners require scientific supporting evidence to be credible. However, we are not aware of any such research.  
The Polygraph and Lie Detection (2003)
Board on Behavioral, Cognitive, and Sensory Sciences and Education (BCSSE)
Committee on National Statistics (CNSTAT)  PG 147  (emphasis added)


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