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Reply #15 - May 19th, 2008 at 8:03pm
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“In the United States, there are an estimated 17,784 law enforcement agencies, spread out across the federal, state, and local levels of government. Policing and law enforcement services are mainly the jurisdiction of local government, with an estimated 12,666 local police agencies and 3,070 sheriff's departments.[1] Local police include county police, metropolitan police, city, and town police departments. In addition, there are 1,376 special-purpose district police agencies, with jurisdiction over parks, schools, housing, transit, etc.” (Source: Wikipedia)

The number of LEA that reportedly use the CVSA is 1,400. That is the same number that NITV has been advertising for the last 8-10 years.  That number is used to make it appear that it is a perferred method of detection of deception.  Nothing could be further from the truth.  The reality is that only 7% of police agencies in the Unted States use the CVSA.  And those that use it for pre-employment screening are probably in violation of federal employment laws.  Hardly an amount to suggest that it is overtaking or supplanting the polygraph.  And as time goes on, that number is going down simply because those agencies learned the hard way that the CVSA simply does not perform as advertised.  It is however, very effective when used as a door stop, boat anchor or paper weight.
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Reply #16 - May 19th, 2008 at 8:59pm
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I myself have had friends take a CVSA then call me to tell me they lied their asses off and still passed.   


Aldridge Ames and Larry Wu-tai Chin and the "Green Rive Killer"  lied their asses off yet passed their polygraph test too.

This is like watching witches arguing over who can cast the best "spell".

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"There is no direct and unequivocal connection between lying and these physiological states of arousal...(referring to polygraph)."

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Reply #17 - May 19th, 2008 at 10:24pm
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Sarge,

no hypocracy here.  I have read no indepedent study or research which supports the CVSA in determining truth (in the manner a polygraph does).  It is, on the other hand, a great interrogation tool.  On the other hand, there is plenty of research and studies which support the accuracy and validity of polygraph testing, whether you wish to believe in it or not.  

Additionally, this has nothing to do with my contacts having false negatives.  Interestingly though, of the many friends I know that have undergone pre-employment polygraph or periodic updates to clearances, not one has ever called me up to report they underwent a polygraph, were truthful and were subsequently told by the examiner that they were lying.  

I'm sure the phone lines were jammed that day, huh?!


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P.S.  Cullen, whose arguing?  But if the facts are blurring your vision, best to stay out of the conversation.
  
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Reply #18 - May 20th, 2008 at 3:48am
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On the other hand, there is plenty of research and studies which support the accuracy and validity of polygraph testing, whether you wish to believe in it or not. 


Can you please cite some references?

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not one has ever called me up to report they underwent a polygraph, were truthful and were subsequently told by the examiner that they were lying. 
   

So what does that prove?

OTOH, there have been a steady stream of people who have posted on POLYGRAPHPLACE.COM, a PRO-poly site, claiming to have been false positive.

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