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Re: The Polygraph Interrogation of Kevin Jones: Another Case of Polygraph Abuse
Reply #15 - May 5th, 2008 at 5:41pm
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T.M. Cullen wrote on May 4th, 2008 at 8:29pm:
Turn around is fair play.  When people refuse to take a polygraph they are accused of hiding something.

Seems logical, doesn't it?

So why would polygraphers be so afraid of having an attorney present during the pretest/interview, and post test/interrogation of a criminal polygraph adminstered by LE.  Do they have something to hide?

No, nothing to hide, but an attorney has a different goal than polygraph.  Distractions have no place in the process.

In the jones case, I doubt they would have gotten away with all the lying and brow-beating.

Polygraphers, experienced or not, lie during the test. Mr. Trimarco lied on national TV about the accuracy of the polygraph.  

Blah, blah, blah...! Same old distribe...and not addressing intellectually

In the case of a criminal LE polygraph.  Suppose you got some young kid suspected of a crime.  Gullible and naive about the polygraph like most of the public.  During the pretest the polygrapher claims "the test is scientific, and 98% accurate".  An attorney present, asks for a sidebar, and whispers to his client:  "There is absolutely no scientific evidence to his claim.  Don't believe it!"

Please refer to the US Constitution.  He didn't have to be there and could have terminated the process ANYTIME he wanted to! And, I'm sure at some point in the beginning of the interview, he was made aware of that!

As for the post test interrogations.  The mere presence of an attorney would probably stop the usual shennanigans.  "This test proves you're lie!  This is the worst failure I've ever seen!  The chart doesn't lie Junior!  Are you going to level with us or not!  You make me sick!"...etc.

Please see my last response.

It's kind of like a young kid shopping for a car.  Rather than go to the car dealership by himself, he brings his dad along so he doesn't get taken advantage of.  It's alone that vein...

Is "the kid" an adult?  Does he have the capacity to make decisions on his own.  Our laws state if you are 18, it's on you... I know a LOT of stupid or ignorant people who are well over the legal age.  Do you, Cullen have the capacity to assign them "keepers" to prevent them from being so-called "abused" by the populace?

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Suspect Who Passed Polygraph Charged with Murder of Nona Dirksmeyer
Reply #16 - Aug 26th, 2008 at 11:00am
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A year after the acquital of Kevin Jones, Gary William Dunn, who reportedly passed a police polygraph examination, has been charged with the murder of Nona Dirksmeyer. Dunn has been implicated by DNA evidence left at the crime scene. It strongly appears that Jones, who failed the polygraph, was indeed innocent:


New suspect scrutinized in beauty queen's slaying

By JON GAMBRELL – 1 hour ago

RUSSELLVILLE, Ark. (AP) — Police found the Arkansas beauty queen dead in her off-campus apartment in December 2005, her head bludgeoned by a floor lamp, her neck slit by a knife.

Authorities matched a bloody palm print on the lamp's light bulb to Nona Dirksmeyer's 19-year-old boyfriend. Prosecutors suggested Kevin N. Jones flew into a jealous rage after learning she had cheated on him.

But a jury acquitted Jones last year after defense lawyers argued police botched the investigation and the bloody print had been left when Jones discovered the body.

Now, a new prosecutor has charged a new suspect in the slaying of Miss Petit Jean Valley.

A district court judge set a $1 million cash-only bond Monday for Gary William Dunn, who could face the death penalty for the Arkansas Tech student's death. But prosecutors remain silent on why investigators crossed the convicted felon living in Dirksmeyer's apartment complex off as a suspect in their initial investigation.

Dunn, who turns 29 on Tuesday, already had felony convictions for hiding a man wanted by police inside his home, selling a stolen trumpet and breaking into a construction company's storage trailer to steal power tools with others.

He was out on parole at the time of Dirksmeyer's death after serving only two years of a six-year sentence for randomly attacking and threatening to kill a jogger in 2002.

In a court affidavit, Arkansas State Police Special Agent Stacie Rhoads said investigators found an open condom wrapper near Dirksmeyer's nude body when they arrived at her apartment Dec. 15, 2005. A DNA analysis of the wrapper determined the material came from both Dunn and Dirksmeyer, Rhoads said.

Dunn later told investigators he was at the apartment complex at the time of Dirksmeyer's death, though he had given false information to police in the past, Rhoads said. Dunn denied knowing Dirksmeyer and it remains unclear how a beauty pageant contestant who once sang the Italian operatic pop song "Con Te Partiro" crossed paths with a convicted felon.

Other evidence pointed to Dirksmeyer being sexually assaulted — something prosecutors denied when they filed charges against Jones in March 2006. At the time, prosecutors claimed Jones lay on top of her body and rubbed his hands in her blood to contaminate the crime scene.

At Jones' trial, a match to DNA evidence from the condom wrapper was not presented. However, a witness from the state Crime Laboratory said a detective using superglue on the wrapper to obtain fingerprints likely contaminated the evidence.

A jury acquitted Jones of a first-degree murder charge after a July 2007 trial.

Michael Robbins, a lawyer for Jones, said defense investigators obtained a DNA sample from Dunn and found a match to a substance on the condom wrapper. Robbins said defense lawyers gave the material to prosecutors, who immediately asked for a special prosecutor to take over the case this February.

Special Prosecutor Jack McQuary has said he will not discuss the case with reporters. A spokesman for the Russellville Police Department declined to comment Monday.

Dunn, dressed in orange prison clothes and yellow sandals, offered only "Yes, sir" and "No, sir" to questions during a 15-minute hearing Monday, looking at a wall or down at the jailhouse courtroom's floor.

Afterward, Dunn's mother said she told investigators her son only occasionally offered white lies and was a good man.

"I have never seen him raise his hand" to woman, Martha Dunn told reporters.

Preston Chenoweth, Dunn's stepfather, said Dunn didn't have many employment opportunities, as "everybody is down on felons." The stepfather also said Dunn previously passed a polygraph test given by police.

"We're going to stand behind him," Chenoweth said. Dunn faces a Sept. 22 court appearance, at which he will be appointed a public defender.

When asked if his stepson could get impartial justice, Chenoweth offered his own question: "Did Kevin?"

See also:

New prosecutor says boyfriend rightly cleared


Posted on Tuesday, August 26, 2008


RUSSELLVILLE — The special prosecutor investigating the 2005 slaying of Nona Dirksmeyer said Monday that he believes the victim’s boyfriend, who was acquitted of the murder last summer, is indeed innocent. Kevin Jones, 22, of Dover said of the comments by special prosecutor Jack McQuary: “An authority figure with as much access to the information as he has will surely change people’s minds.”

Before, skeptics would say, “It’s just the family” professing Jones’ innocence, he said.

“A lot of people... have said derogatory things and have looked at me in a derogatory ways.”

On Friday, Mc-Quary charged Gary William Dunn, 29, of Dover, with capital murder in the case. Dunn was on parole and lived in the same Russellville apartment complex as Dirksmeyer at the time of the Dec. 15, 2005, killing.

“I would not have filed charges against Gary Dunn if I thought that Kevin Jones was guilty of the homicide of Nona Dirksmeyer,” McQuary said Monday, hours after Pope County District Judge Don Bourne set Dunn’s bond at $ 1 million.

In July 2007, a circuit-court jury acquitted Jones of firstdegree murder in the death of Dirksmeyer, 19. Even after the trial, Jones’ defense attorneys continued to work to prove his innocence and later turned over to authorities new DNA evidence they helped uncover on a condom wrapper found in Dirksmeyer’s apartment after the killing.

Previously, authorities have said there was no sign of a sexual assault on the Arkansas Tech University student, found lying in a pool of blood on her living-room floor. However, court documents showed Monday that authorities now believe Dirksmeyer may have been sexually assaulted.

In an affidavit filed with the Pope County circuit clerk’s office, Arkansas State Police Special Agent Stacie D. Rhoads wrote that police found an open condom wrapper 3 to 4 feet from Dirksmeyer’s body, nude except for a pair of socks.

“An analysis of the condom wrapper revealed the presence of DNA,” Rhoads wrote. Authorities determined that DNA on it was “a mixture of at least two individuals” — Dirksmeyer and Dunn. “Other evidence at the scene indicated a possible sexual assault.”

Authorities have said the avid beauty pageant contestant was choked and beaten, and stabbed and slashed with a knife on her face, shoulders and throat.

During Jones’ trial, Ed Volman, a forensic serologist with the state Crime Laboratory, testified that he found no evidence of sexual activity based upon an exam of Dirksmeyer’s body and clothes.

McQuary said Monday that it’s difficult to prove sexual assault.

Dunn did not have an attorney at his hearing Monday. But in the affidavit, Rhoads wrote that Dunn has “denied knowing Nona and denied ever being inside her apartment.”

She continued: “Dunn has provided different accounts of his actions on the day Nona was murdered. Dunn also puts himself at the apartment complex during the time Nona was murdered. Information initially provided by Dunn as to his whereabouts [has ] been determined to be untrue.”

Dunn’s mother, Martha Dunn of Dover, said police told her in 2005 that her son had passed a lie-detector test. “I know in my heart my son did not do this,” she said.

Also Monday, one of Jones ’ defense attorneys, Michael Robbins of Russellville, said the Russellville Police Department owes Jones an apology.

“Do I think they’re big enough to do it ? I don’t know. I hope they are.... I think they need to admit they made a mistake,” Robbins said.

Russellville Police Chief Tom McMillen did not return calls seeking comment, nor did James Bacon, who was chief at the time of the killing and has since become chief in Nixa, Mo.

Jones said, “I think [police ] just need to learn from their experience... and do the right thing next time.”

Robbins did not criticize 5 th Judicial District Prosecuting Attorney David Gibbons, who handled the case against Jones in court.

McQuary stressed that Gibbons “was not given information that we have been able to uncover. But if I had only had the information that David Gibbons had... Kevin Jones would have been a suspect in my opinion, as well.”

Gibbons declined comment.

Dirksmeyer’s stepfather, Duane Dipert of Russellville, said he and her mother, Carol Dipert, have decided not to talk with reporters.

Jones said he has not heard from Dirksmeyer’s mother since Dunn’s arrest but would be happy if they could renew their friendship.

“I never once blamed Carol,” he said. “If the police told me someone did this to my daughter... it was just a terrible situation.”

Jones said the experience has helped him mature.

“I look at the world in a different way now,” he said. Before, he would read about someone being charged with a crime and presume he was guilty.

“I’ve learned to question that,” he said.

“Before this, I was carefree. I didn’t have a problem.... I was just kind of bumping along, not doing what I should be doing, not really making very good grades in college.... I’m going to try to find some sort of silver lining for this experience.

“ What happened to me was bad,” Jones said, adding, “I don’t want people to dwell on what happened to me because what happened to Nona was exponentially worse.”

Jones, attending college in Fort Smith, plans to become a lawyer.

“If I could do for one person what [my attorneys have done ] for me... it would be worth” his efforts, he said.
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Re: The Polygraph Interrogation of Kevin Jones: Another Case of Polygraph Abuse
Reply #17 - Aug 26th, 2008 at 1:04pm
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Yes Sir
The best source of information regarding the results of  polygraph tests is ALWAYS the suspect's stepfather. Especially since the stepfather is most likely relying on information provided to him by the suspect. Forget the fact that the suspect's mother remarked that her son is a liar in the same article.

According to Kevin Jones Attorney, The person who claims to administer the polygraph examination and appears in the video is not a certified or licensed polygraph examiner. If that is the case, Jones DID NOT receive a polygraph examination and the person who administered what Jones was led to believe was a polygraph test committed a crime under Arkansas law.
"And what about that polygraph test. Remember what Kevin said the examiner told him?

Kevin Jones: He had not seen anybody fail a test worse in his 28 or some odd years of giving lie detector tests.

Well, the defense said it checked the polygrapher’s record.

Robbins: The person that was, that administered the test. He wasn’t a certified polygraph examiner.

Johnson: It was an attempt to get him to confess.  That’s all it was."

He might have been a recent Polygraph School Graduate BUT He would still have to have a certificate of completion from an approved polygraph school (Certified) and hold an Intern License which is only valid for 12 months according to Arkansas Law. So a claim of "uncertified" cannot legally co-exist with a claim of 28 years polygraph experience.

It appears that Arkansas State Police polygraphed the victim's known lovers and eliminated them. It doesn't appear that this new suspect was a "Known Lover" that would have been included in that group and if Kevin Jone's attorney was right and the Russellville Police used the same guy in the polygraph room on Dunn that they used on Kevin Jones, Dunn didn't take a polygrah test either.

Looking over some of the information available on this case it looks like the entire investigation was mishandled, Crime scene evidence was ignored, only a small area near the victim was examined for fingerprints, Blood evidence in other areas of the apartment weren't collected, the physical properties of Jones' bloody palm print wasn't properly evaluated in the context of the timeline of the crime, and material information was withheld from both the prosecution and defense Their chances of ever convicting anyone of this crime in the future are pretty slim regardless of polygraph.

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Re: The Polygraph Interrogation of Kevin Jones: Another Case of Polygraph Abuse
Reply #18 - Aug 27th, 2008 at 9:42am
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It would be helpful to victims, suspects, investigators et al if more stringent controls were enforced during the polygraph in-test phase.

The videocamera should be positioned to the side and behind the examiner so that his keyboard is in clear view. Independent reviewers can then ascertain whether the examiner purposely manipulated any test by deliberately recording the 'answer bar' too early or too late.

Maybe then people like Kevin Jones and other False Positives would not have been falsely accused and convicted.
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Reply #19 - Aug 27th, 2008 at 8:14pm
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What do you think about the criminal profile that did not match Kevin?
It was in the Russellville Courier June 21, 2006 by a Texas Criminal profiler.
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Reply #20 - Oct 5th, 2019 at 3:36pm
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The Polygraph and the Voice stress Analyzer do what they claim to do. Which is to register Stress. The problem with a lot of Polygraph exams are that they are used to elicit confessions instead of to determine truth. When a suspect passes the question 'did you do this' but fails another question like 'have you thought about doing this' and the polygraph examiner says the suspect failed the test. That is an abuse of the examination process and destroys confidence in this useful tool. The "Lie Detector" is not the problem, the operator is.
Did this happen to Kevin Jones ?
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