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Cabaliero New User Offline Posts: 2 Joined: Apr 16^th, 2008	Personal Test Apr 16^th, 2008 at 6:41am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	I am in the position to take a personal test. My wife thinks I cheated, which I didn't. I like to be an informed person and I read all I can from this site and others, including the book The lie behind ... The more I read, the more I fear, because even I have nothing to hide it seems that this is more likely a subjective evaluation, and I am a very emotional person. I have couple of questions for anybody who can help: 1. A personal test is rather similar with all test descibed in the book? I mean with control question and so on. 2. I've seen on some reality show that one poligrapher, when testing the competitors, gave immediately answer about pass/fail. For all I read, this is not possbile because the reaction needed to be compared. It was a test of only 3 questions anyway and one was irelevant. Is this possible? 3. Can my wife ask the questions? It will obviously induce an additional stress. 4. Being a personal test, I can say the truth for all control questions, because nobody except my wife and eventually the polygrapher can judge me for that. Shall I lie? Fact is that I love my wife and my daughter, and my wife is pregnant with the second child. I love her and want to raise my children together. I cannot afford to fail the test, even I don't see any reason for that. PS I don't live in the States, I'm from Europe.


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George W. Maschke Global Moderator Offline Make-believe science yields make-believe security. Posts: 6222 Joined: Sep 29^th, 2000	Re: Personal Test Reply #1 - Apr 16^th, 2008 at 8:37am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Cabaliero wrote on Apr 16^th, 2008 at 6:41am: 1. A personal test is rather similar with all test descibed in the book? I mean with control question and so on. The Control Question Test is the most commonly-used polygraph technique, although some polygraph operators use the relevant/irrelevant technique. Quote: 2. I've seen on some reality show that one poligrapher, when testing the competitors, gave immediately answer about pass/fail. For all I read, this is not possbile because the reaction needed to be compared. It was a test of only 3 questions anyway and one was irelevant. Is this possible? "Reality" TV shows are frequently scripted and staged. A polygrapher using standard techniques cannot call out the result of each question as it is asked (as Nick Savastano did in his recent polygraph "test" of Perez Hilton). Quote: 3. Can my wife ask the questions? It will obviously induce an additional stress. Again, while you may see such things done for show business, it's standard practice for the polygraph operator to read the questions. Quote: 4. Being a personal test, I can say the truth for all control questions, because nobody except my wife and eventually the polygrapher can judge me for that. Shall I lie? One should give the expected answer to control questions, whether or not it's true. For example, if the probable-lie control question, "Have you ever had sexual thoughts about a woman other than your spouse?" is asked, the expected answer is "no," and that's the answer one should give. Quote: Fact is that I love my wife and my daughter, and my wife is pregnant with the second child. I love her and want to raise my children together. I cannot afford to fail the test, even I don't see any reason for that. Even the use of countermeasures provides no guarantee of passing this invalid test. I think your best option is to refuse the lie detector and to share with your wife the information about polygraphy that you've found here. The "test" is a pseudoscientific fraud and simply not to be relied upon for any purpose.

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Cabaliero New User Offline Posts: 2 Joined: Apr 16^th, 2008	Re: Personal Test Reply #2 - Apr 16^th, 2008 at 9:12am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Thank you for your answer. Congrats for this site. I already accepted when she first had the idea. It was impulsive from my side. It will make me look unfaithfull if I now decline, even thou it's justified from all the info I have read. Most probably I will take my chances. Will let you know the result.


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sackett Especially Senior User Offline Posts: 347 Joined: Jan 31^st, 2008	Re: Personal Test Reply #3 - Apr 16^th, 2008 at 3:50pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Fortunately or not for this site, taking a polygraph is not the answer to your wife's suspicions. She has her suspicions for a reason, whether made up or real. If you take a test and pass, she may very well think you used what you read here in TLBTLD (even though there is no credible research to establish the usefullness or viability of the information provided here while "protecting yourself"; and, no-one has ever successfully proven that countermeasures actually work beyond their promotion within this site). If you fail, then your problems are just beginning and her suspicions will be realized. I suggest counseling and vent out the issues between you. Also, the possibility exists you may get an inexperienced or unqualified examiner and bad results may follow. This is a matter of trust. Work it out rather than taking a polygraph. You'll thank me later. Sackett P.S. And yes, in case you are new, I am a polygraph examiner.


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T.M. Cullen God Member Offline Posts: 858 Location: Hawaii Joined: Dec 5^th, 2007 Gender:	Re: Personal Test Reply #4 - Apr 16^th, 2008 at 6:16pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	You'll get much better results if you have the test conducted in a closet. Do you have a large walk-in closet? I mention this because a celeb was recently tested in his wife's closet. DUDE! You are letting the "pop culture" rule your marriage. I don't care what you may have seen on TV, the test is NOT reliable! Does your wife get her info from watching Oprah and Dr. Phil? "Reality" shows on TV, are really NOT reality!

	"There is no direct and unequivocal connection between lying and these physiological states of arousal...(referring to polygraph)." Dr. Phil Zimbardo, Phd, Standford University
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T.M. Cullen God Member Offline Posts: 858 Location: Hawaii Joined: Dec 5^th, 2007 Gender:	Re: Personal Test Reply #5 - Apr 16^th, 2008 at 6:21pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	[quote....]even though there is no credible research to establish the usefullness or viability of the information provided here while "protecting yourself"; and, no-one has ever successfully proven that countermeasures actually work beyond their promotion within this site [/quote] There is no credible research to establish the accuracy or scientific basis for polygraph testing. Even though poligraphers routinely lie through their teeth telling test subjects that the test is 95-98% accurate. Caveat Emptor

	"There is no direct and unequivocal connection between lying and these physiological states of arousal...(referring to polygraph)." Dr. Phil Zimbardo, Phd, Standford University
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nopolycop Especially Senior User Offline Posts: 383 Joined: Oct 20^th, 2007	Re: Personal Test Reply #6 - Apr 16^th, 2008 at 10:52pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	sackett wrote on Apr 16^th, 2008 at 3:50pm: Also, the possibility exists you may get an inexperienced or unqualified examiner and bad results may follow. That is because there is, (for the most part) no standard to which polygraphers must adhere to. Take the advice of Sackett, forget the poly and get counseling.

	"Although the degree of reliability of polygraph evidence may depend upon a variety of identifiable factors, there is simply no way to know in a particular case whether a polygraph examiner's Conclusion is accurate, because certain doubts and uncertainties plague even the best polygraph exams." (Justice Clarence Thomas writing in United States v. Scheffer, 523 U.S. 303, 118 S.Ct. 1261, 140 L.Ed.2d 413, 1998.)
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ycrad508 Guest	Re: Personal Test Reply #7 - Mar 2^nd, 2009 at 11:46am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	I am in exactly the same postion. I have agreed to take the polygraph test to prove my innocence. However I am terrified that I will still fail the test. I really am in a no win situation here. If I now tell my girlfriend that I do no want to do the tes then I look guilty. Then again if I do the test and fail then there is no way she will ever believe me again??


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