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nopolycop Especially Senior User Offline Posts: 383 Joined: Oct 20^th, 2007	Re: I haveread the book and just need to tie up some loose ends Reply #15 - Mar 22^nd, 2008 at 1:38pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	TheNoLieGuy4U wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2008 at 3:49am: NoPolyCop, Lately you seem like a hamster in a wheel. You seem to be hung up on the word OPINION, ART, and ASSUMPTION. Let me see if I can be of some help. For example doesn't a cadiologist physician render their medical opinion based quite often on an EKG chart as the person having a certain condition? Isn't medicine known both as an "Art "and a Science ? Might that Doctor, in the best interest of both the patient and the hospital, render such an "opinion" based on their training, and assume that what they see in their charts leads them to a conclusion. Don't Doctors, Coroners, and others testify to their professional Opinions based on the evidence presented to them as someone trained in that speciality. Why should polygraph be any different. You have assumed bias where none can be shown to exist. Mathamatically polygraph clears more people than it ever fails in the elimination of suspects. Further, in the pre-employment arena, most people clearly pass their tests. Doing so does not guarentee a job, but rather has them move into a more well defined pool from which hirings take place after a complete background. From what you write it would seem you are so biased that you can't place common sense definitions of words as they apply to other professions on the polygraph profession, so are you really capable of having a "Discussion" on it. Get the emotion out of it, reduce it down to real world concepts, and judge them on that. NLG: The difference between a polygraphist and a cardiologist is about 10+ years of education and study. Trade school v. medical school. There, no emotion, just fact.

	"Although the degree of reliability of polygraph evidence may depend upon a variety of identifiable factors, there is simply no way to know in a particular case whether a polygraph examiner's Conclusion is accurate, because certain doubts and uncertainties plague even the best polygraph exams." (Justice Clarence Thomas writing in United States v. Scheffer, 523 U.S. 303, 118 S.Ct. 1261, 140 L.Ed.2d 413, 1998.)
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nopolycop Especially Senior User Offline Posts: 383 Joined: Oct 20^th, 2007	Re: I haveread the book and just need to tie up some loose ends Reply #16 - Mar 22^nd, 2008 at 1:41pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	sackett wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2008 at 4:05am: "n.p.c.", What question have I refused to answer? Sackett I frankly don't have the time to review the many posts where I have asked you yes or no questions, but you beat around the bush and didn't respond. I think it all started when you claimed the lie detector test isn't really about detecting lies.

	"Although the degree of reliability of polygraph evidence may depend upon a variety of identifiable factors, there is simply no way to know in a particular case whether a polygraph examiner's Conclusion is accurate, because certain doubts and uncertainties plague even the best polygraph exams." (Justice Clarence Thomas writing in United States v. Scheffer, 523 U.S. 303, 118 S.Ct. 1261, 140 L.Ed.2d 413, 1998.)
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sackett Especially Senior User Offline Posts: 347 Joined: Jan 31^st, 2008	Re: I haveread the book and just need to tie up some loose ends Reply #17 - Mar 22^nd, 2008 at 2:17pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	nopolycop wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2008 at 1:41pm: sackett wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2008 at 4:05am: "n.p.c.", What question have I refused to answer? Sackett I frankly don't have the time to review the many posts where I have asked you yes or no questions, but you beat around the bush and didn't respond. I think it all started when you claimed the lie detector test isn't really about detecting lies. No doubt. Of course, the problem with many of the questions posed on this board is that they can not be answered with a simple yes or no. Therefore, when an explanation is offered to support an answer (i.e. going beyond simply answering yes of no) and then we're accused of not answering. Sheeesh... Sackett


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nopolycop Especially Senior User Offline Posts: 383 Joined: Oct 20^th, 2007	Re: I haveread the book and just need to tie up some loose ends Reply #18 - Mar 22^nd, 2008 at 4:58pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	sackett wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2008 at 2:17pm: nopolycop wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2008 at 1:41pm: sackett wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2008 at 4:05am: "n.p.c.", What question have I refused to answer? Sackett I frankly don't have the time to review the many posts where I have asked you yes or no questions, but you beat around the bush and didn't respond. I think it all started when you claimed the lie detector test isn't really about detecting lies. No doubt. Of course, the problem with many of the questions posed on this board is that they can not be answered with a simple yes or no. Therefore, when an explanation is offered to support an answer (i.e. going beyond simply answering yes of no) and then we're accused of not answering. Sheeesh... Sackett The problem is, the explanation is offered without the answer.

	"Although the degree of reliability of polygraph evidence may depend upon a variety of identifiable factors, there is simply no way to know in a particular case whether a polygraph examiner's Conclusion is accurate, because certain doubts and uncertainties plague even the best polygraph exams." (Justice Clarence Thomas writing in United States v. Scheffer, 523 U.S. 303, 118 S.Ct. 1261, 140 L.Ed.2d 413, 1998.)
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sackett Especially Senior User Offline Posts: 347 Joined: Jan 31^st, 2008	Re: I haveread the book and just need to tie up some loose ends Reply #19 - Mar 22^nd, 2008 at 5:34pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	What the hell is the difference?! An explanation IS an answer when it applies to the original question. If you guys would simply get off your soapbox for a minute and stop drinking the Kool-aide, you might be able to actually have an intelligent conversation without maniacal diatribe related to the mantra of the camp... Sackett


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notguilty1 Especially Senior User Offline Posts: 300 Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2008	Re: I haveread the book and just need to tie up some loose ends Reply #20 - Mar 22^nd, 2008 at 8:44pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	sackett wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2008 at 5:34pm: What the hell is the difference?! An explanation IS an answer when it applies to the original question. If you guys would simply get off your soapbox for a minute and stop drinking the Kool-aide, you might be able to actually have an intelligent conversation without maniacal diatribe related to the mantra of the camp... Sackett KOOL AIDE!!! That's all you do is drnk the KOOL AIDE and come here with the mantra that Poligraphs are reliable ( except of course when you have admitted that they are not) Seems like you are the one full of KOOL AIDE!!


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sackett Especially Senior User Offline Posts: 347 Joined: Jan 31^st, 2008	Re: I haveread the book and just need to tie up some loose ends Reply #21 - Mar 23^rd, 2008 at 1:36am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	If polygraph didn't work, I wouldn't be doing it... Sackett


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T.M. Cullen God Member Offline Posts: 858 Location: Hawaii Joined: Dec 5^th, 2007 Gender:	Re: I haveread the book and just need to tie up some loose ends Reply #22 - Mar 23^rd, 2008 at 2:32am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Quote: If polygraph didn't work, I wouldn't be doing it... If man were meant to fly, he'd have wings! If "bleeding" sick people in the 17th century (by physicians of the day) didn't work, they wouldn't have done it!

	"There is no direct and unequivocal connection between lying and these physiological states of arousal...(referring to polygraph)." Dr. Phil Zimbardo, Phd, Standford University
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sackett Especially Senior User Offline Posts: 347 Joined: Jan 31^st, 2008	Re: I haveread the book and just need to tie up some loose ends Reply #23 - Mar 23^rd, 2008 at 4:04am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	T.M. Cullen wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2008 at 2:32am: Quote: If polygraph didn't work, I wouldn't be doing it... If man were meant to fly, he'd have wings! If "bleeding" sick people in the 17th century (by physicians of the day) didn't work, they wouldn't have done it! If you truly understood that which you attacked, with the venom of the rhetoric you possessed from this site, then half of that which you have as possessed knowledge, would be nothing more than the whisper of a misguided belief you believe you posess... Misguide and disinform those who read this board, onward... Sackett


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notguilty1 Especially Senior User Offline Posts: 300 Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2008	Re: I haveread the book and just need to tie up some loose ends Reply #24 - Mar 23^rd, 2008 at 4:07am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	sackett wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2008 at 4:04am: T.M. Cullen wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2008 at 2:32am: Quote: If polygraph didn't work, I wouldn't be doing it... If man were meant to fly, he'd have wings! If "bleeding" sick people in the 17th century (by physicians of the day) didn't work, they wouldn't have done it! If you truly understood that which you attacked, with the venom of the rhetoric you possessed from this site, then half of that which you have as possessed knowledge, would be nothing more than the whisper of a misguided belief you believe you posess... Misguide and disinform those who read this board, onward... Sackett You know by the way you express your self it's amazing you even have a job. But we are working on that.


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T.M. Cullen God Member Offline Posts: 858 Location: Hawaii Joined: Dec 5^th, 2007 Gender:	Re: I haveread the book and just need to tie up some loose ends Reply #25 - Mar 23^rd, 2008 at 4:18am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Quote: if you truly understood that which you attacked, with the venom of the rhetoric you possessed from this site, then half of that which you have as possessed knowledge, would be nothing more than the whisper of a misguided belief you believe you posess... Forget me then. How about the many credible scientific researchers at the NAS. Are they "know-nothings"? Or are you so pompous as to think you know more than they? I think not. TC P.S. You getting to be almost as tedious as TLG!

	"There is no direct and unequivocal connection between lying and these physiological states of arousal...(referring to polygraph)." Dr. Phil Zimbardo, Phd, Standford University
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