My pre-employement poly is next week and I just need to tie up a few loose ends I am still confused on.  I know I employ CM's on the control questions but what if I don't lie on the control questions.  Do I still use CMs if I tell the truth or what?  For example if he asked if i have ever lied to someone in authority and I say yes.....what do I do?  Do I need to lie on purpose for the CM's to work or what?

sniper5252 wrote on Mar 20^th, 2008 at 3:35pm:


sniper5252,

You want a position of responsibility and authority yet you come here, before your test, to learn how to "beat" the examiner?  Not much integrity being displayed by that decision.

OK, so after you follow George's suggestions (BTW, he's never employed any of the techniques he espouses in order to pass an examination) come on back and advise us how you fared.  BUT, if you fail or are caught trying to embellish your responses, don't bother!  We'll know by the silence...

Try just being truthful, you may actually pass the examination and get the job...

Sackett

Remember, passing a polygraph means that it is the OPINION of the polygrapher that you are not being deceptive, based upon the ASSUMPTION that your physiological reactions to the relevant questions (or lack there of) are because you told the truth, as compared to the ASSUMPTION that on the control questions, you LIKELY told a little white lie, and exhibited physiological responses to those control questions which exceeded in magnitude the physiological reactions to either the non-relevant or relevant questions.

And, based upon these variables, they claim 95% accuracy?

Sniper, take what Sackett says with a grain of salt.  He refuses to answer direct questions posed to him, but will try to baffle you with psychobabble instead.

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You are going to lie to the relevant questions?  For example, "have you ever knowingly disclosed classified information?"  Then you would be a LIAR!  I don't advocate anyone lying to relevant questions.  If you have violated anything the counter intelligence questions test for, then you should not be hired unless you tell them and they hire you anyway!  My beef with the test is that INNOCENT people fail.

My whole problem with the preemployment test is that you can TRUTHFULLY answer the relevant questions, yet fail the test.  If they say you are being "deceptive", even though you answered a relevant question truthfully, do not believe it.  If you answer truthfully, you answered truthfully.  End of argument.

What do you think about.?  Think about anything!   Think about what a joke it all is.   

Your mind speak might go something like this:  "What a joke!  Yeah right dude, I'm telling the truth yet you say I'm lying. Then maybe you should be in a carnival or something!  You're just trying to get me to say something stupid.  Your stupid machine can't tell if I'm lying.  A polygrapher (Wolf) even said so!  Keep on pressing junior, cuz I ain't done nothin!   Gee, I wonder what I'll have for lunch today. That receptionist sure is good looking, wonder if she is free for lunch.  Wish this test would be over soon, I gotta piss.  This polygrapher reminds me of Kramer on Seinfeld.  What a dork!  I wonder if Obama would really pull the troops if elected.  My butt itches!"

      NoPolyCop,

   Lately you seem like a hamster in a wheel.  You seem to be hung up on the word OPINION, ART, and ASSUMPTION.  Let me see if I can be of some help.  For example doesn't a cadiologist physician render their medical opinion based quite often on an EKG chart as the person having a certain condition?  Isn't medicine known both as an "Art "and a Science  ?  Might that Doctor, in the best interest of both the patient and the hospital, render such an "opinion"  based on their training, and assume that what they see in their charts leads them to a conclusion. Don't Doctors, Coroners, and others testify to their professional Opinions based on the evidence presented to them as someone trained in that speciality.  Why should polygraph be any different.  You have assumed bias where none can be shown to exist.  Mathamatically polygraph clears more people than it ever fails in the elimination of suspects.  Further, in the pre-employment arena, most people clearly pass their tests.  Doing so does not guarentee a job, but rather has them move into a more well defined pool from which hirings take place after a complete background.   
    From what you write it would seem you are so biased that you can't place common sense definitions of words as they apply to other professions on the polygraph profession, so are you really capable of having a "Discussion" on it.  Get the emotion out of it, reduce it down to real world concepts, and judge them on that.

"n.p.c.",

well, there you go again...!

What question have I refused to answer?  

Stop the hyperbole rhetoric... What psychobabble?   

Your postings make you look weak and ignorant.

Sackett

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Honesty?  If he comes up false positive, he would have been honest, yet failed, like many who have attested on this board.

If the examiner tries to assure him the machine is detecting "deception", even though he/she knows the machine can't do that, then the examiner is being a liar and dishonest.   

Honesty should be a two-way street.

TC

I meant that as a compliment.