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Do you consider TNLG4U to be providing adult conversation?

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The autonomic nervous system has a "sympathetic response"  and a "para-sympathetic" response.

SR is evidenced by increase in BP, sweating, faster heart beat, more rapid and breathing.   

Which is pretty much what the polygraph measures.

The SR can be thought of as a "continuum" from  mild arousal to a panic response (full kick in of the "fight, flight or freeze" response).

This is indeed affected by conscious thought.  The unconscious in fact takes many of it's cues from the conscious mind.

I know all of this because I suffer from an anxiety disorder.   I know from experience that a pattern of negative thought (say thinking about my polygraph experience) causes a pattern of negative emotions (hate, anger, fear...etc), which manifests in ANS arousal (increase BP, heart rate, breathing, sweating) though not necessarily into a FFF response!

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That still doesn't explain why that reaction necessarily equates to "lie" or "deception".

There are other possible reasons for people to have a "visceral reaction" to a question other than deception.

Ever hear of Dr. Phil Zimbardo at Stanford University.  I distinctly remember watching an educational tape from him talking about the polygraph.  His conclusion:

"There is no direct and UNEQUIVOCAL relationship between ANS and telling a lie."

I believe the NAS came to the same general conclusion.

sackett wrote on Mar 1^st, 2008 at 12:59am:


Sackett,
If you're not NLG4U why do you reply on his behalf?
Do you have his POA ?
Or are you a self appointed spokesman.
You have painted yourself into corners several times in the past 10 days, following your nonsensical outbursts iro polygraph.

Do you know the old adage, 'Empty vessels make the most sound' ?

The NAS Report is your demon.  Rubbish it as much as you wish, it tells it like as it is - and you dont like that much. sort of makes your job in Las Vegas a bit superfluous, donnit now ?

sackett

You say you provide an alternative to the propaganda provided here. Proven points are not propaganda. The "countermeasures" provided here are proven. That takes away propaganda. All polygraphers posting here say they catch subjects attempting CMs so even polygraphers are proving CMs are not propaganda. None of you have proven that you can detect CMs. When asked to prove it, all you say is "that's a secret, but try them and I gotcha". Now that's propaganda. Secrets are propaganda until until proven. Therefore, calling the information provided here propaganda, IS propaganda because you can't prove it. 

What is not propaganda is the refusal to answer a question like I asked nonombre a long time ago "over the last 4 years (when polygraphers started saying they can catch CM attempts), what is your percentage increase over the prior 4 years. I will now pose the same question to you. If you answer, I hope it's not propaganda but noninflated facts. 

Don't say again I'm trying to bait you because that would still be propaganda.

First of all, I never said countermeasures were propaganda.  It is your promotion of and supposed succes rate with them, that is propaganda.  I catch people using them frequently.  I can't prove that to you and really could give a crap less whether you believe me.  But, sometimes they affect the test and I call them on it, othertimes, I see them but they're ineffectual and don't matter, then I don't need to.  Just because I don't prove it to you, does not in any way, shape or form mean that I can't!  Get over yourself!!  


You wrote that CMs' are proven.  How so?  Yeah, I suppose if your examiner is asleep or playing solitare during your examination.  But that is what we as a profession are trying to fix.  

Just as in "the challenge."  I have already established that if an examiner did accept it, there would be no way for them to prove their ability.  Meaning, I say someone bit their tongue, and you respond, Nope!  He raked his teeth, see you don't know what you're talking about then run to your local keyboard to self promote your abilities....  Quite frankly, I'll avoid that discussion and leave it to the researchers.

As far as your specific question to my percentage increase of people using CM's, I would say there has been an obvious increase.  Much of this is due to George's promotion of this site.  That fine.  We examiners read this too!  If you can do it, I have read about it and am watching for it.

See ya,


Sackett

sackett

1. You said "alternative to the propaganda provided here". Does that not include CMs?

2. Where did I promote and state the success if CMs? I didn't. So there is no propaganda.

3. I am sure that you catch some CM attempts. You have never made the statement that I recall, but to make a blanker statement "I catch them all" is pure propaganda. When polygraphers become mind readers, then they will catch most mental CMs that people who can't controll their minds tries to apply.

4 It is a proven fact that puckering the butt mussle raises the BP, heart rate and sweat. Whether is is successful or not is not an issue. The asleep at the wheel examiner is not an issue in my statement. And you are correct. CMs do affect the poly test whether they are successful or not. It, also, is proven that mental CMs do the same thing.

5. I didn't ask you to take the challenge. I simply said that a statement is propoganda until proven.

As to your last para. - (and BTW thanks for answering) I am sure there has been an increase because thousands are now using them and I agree it is totally because of this site, Doug's and others. I guess what I was trying to get at is: Is the increase in attempts comparable to the numbers who are getting the education here.. And I am talking about the thousands of LEO applicants that visit here.

Lastly. Polygraphers are allowed to come on here and do their damndest to discredit it and George and Gino. What does the APA have to hide that they don't allow such posts?

BTW - at my age, I'm ALL over myself.

Twoblock wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2008 at 10:31pm: