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HelloYou New User Offline Posts: 2 Joined: Jan 5^th, 2008	If the polygrapher asks you to do a math problem? Jan 6^th, 2008 at 2:49am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	When you do the math problem after they ask, do you apply counter measures? Is this used by the polygrapher to test for counter measures or as a comparison question?


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George W. Maschke Global Moderator Offline Make-believe science yields make-believe security. Posts: 6230 Joined: Sep 29^th, 2000	Re: If the polygrapher asks you to do a math problem? Reply #1 - Jan 6^th, 2008 at 4:10am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Some polygraphers will ask examinees to solve a math problem in an attempt to discourage countermeasures by trying to convince the examinee that the polygrapher will now know what the examinee's reactions "look like" when he or she solves an arithmetic problem. The polygrapher who asks such a question expects to see a reaction to it, so it wouldn't hurt to show him one.

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WJ User Offline Posts: 30 Location: Washington D.C. Joined: Jul 14^th, 2007 Gender:	Re: If the polygrapher asks you to do a math problem? Reply #2 - Jan 6^th, 2008 at 3:22pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Explain more on this one. She had me do a math problem as well and I used CMs on it.

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the_wolf New User Offline Posts: 14 Joined: Dec 6^th, 2005	Re: If the polygrapher asks you to do a math problem? Reply #3 - Jan 10^th, 2008 at 9:53pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	It's called a CVOS. It's a form of acq test. We are also looking for to much reaction to the math question. You should educate yourself on the subject before you put fingers to keyboard. I personally love using the CVOS. It's not a 100%, but it's a good start. Let me also say that I expect to see reaction to this. I expect that my examinee have done some research. I would if I were in his or her place. Many times when I catch someone and they admit it, I find that they have bought a book from a tool by the name of Doug. I at that point tell them that they been ripped off and they could have got better info for free. Their reaction is always priceless. First they get busted because the used CM's learned from an "expert", then they're told that they could have had (what I feel is) better info for nothing. It's better than cable. Hi all, miss me?


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nopolycop Especially Senior User Offline Posts: 383 Joined: Oct 20^th, 2007	Re: If the polygrapher asks you to do a math problem? Reply #4 - Jan 11^th, 2008 at 12:49am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	the_wolf wrote on Jan 10^th, 2008 at 9:53pm: It's called a CVOS. It's a form of acq test. We are also looking for to much reaction to the math question. You should educate yourself on the subject before you put fingers to keyboard. I personally love using the CVOS. It's not a 100%, but it's a good start. Let me also say that I expect to see reaction to this. I expect that my examinee have done some research. I would if I were in his or her place. Many times when I catch someone and they admit it, I find that they have bought a book from a tool by the name of Doug. I at that point tell them that they been ripped off and they could have got better info for free. Their reaction is always priceless. First they get busted because the used CM's learned from an "expert", then they're told that they could have had (what I feel is) better info for nothing. It's better than cable. Hi all, miss me? Can't say I have missed you Mr. Wolf, cause I didn't know you before, but I find the above post surprisingly refreshing for a polygrapher, and I look forward to discussion of polygraphy with you, if you so choose.

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WJ User Offline Posts: 30 Location: Washington D.C. Joined: Jul 14^th, 2007 Gender:	Re: If the polygrapher asks you to do a math problem? Reply #5 - Jan 12^th, 2008 at 3:47pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	the_wolf wrote on Jan 10^th, 2008 at 9:53pm: It's called a CVOS. It's a form of acq test. We are also looking for to much reaction to the math question. You should educate yourself on the subject before you put fingers to keyboard. I personally love using the CVOS. It's not a 100%, but it's a good start. Let me also say that I expect to see reaction to this. I expect that my examinee have done some research. I would if I were in his or her place. Many times when I catch someone and they admit it, I find that they have bought a book from a tool by the name of Doug. I at that point tell them that they been ripped off and they could have got better info for free. Their reaction is always priceless. First they get busted because the used CM's learned from an "expert", then they're told that they could have had (what I feel is) better info for nothing. It's better than cable. Hi all, miss me? No offense Mr. Wolf, if that is your real name, but you are wrong. I used CMs and passed this test. My polygrapher used a math problem in the middle of the test and I passed. Polygraphs are worthless once you lose the fear and realize that the polygrapher is full of lies.

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