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markus_del_marko New User Offline Posts: 8 Joined: Jan 3^rd, 2008	need advice about my polygraph Jan 3^rd, 2008 at 6:30pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	i recently had my polygraph and i think it went very well, i used the countermeasures during control questions and remained calm during all others. the entire exam from start to finish was word by word textbook after reading the lie behind the polygraph from this site. i almost laughed out loud several times. i cant go into details of my situation, but i was told if i passed the private polygraph by the 1st of the year, they wouldn't charge me. after the test he sat down with me and said the test shows you didn't commit the crime, but he kept going back to just one question. my sexual past, i told him everything about it. he said he wants to pass me, but that it will more than likely come out inconclusive. he asked again how much i knew about polygraphs. i told him just what ive seen on the tv shows. this is my life and im scared, he even offered to re-test me for free ? but he never said i failed it, he said he has to take a few days to read the scores before talking to my lawyer. was he just bluffing and trying to get some sort of confession ? i answered every question honestly. what can i do as im afraid i could be charged any day now. my lawyer said if the test didn't come out a full pass, he would tell the prosecutor i refused to take the test. if i passed all the questions related to the accusation, why cant she be allowed to see that. everybody believes me and im running out of options here.


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nopolycop Especially Senior User Offline Posts: 383 Joined: Oct 20^th, 2007	Re: need advice about my polygraph Reply #1 - Jan 3^rd, 2008 at 9:27pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	markus_del_marko wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2008 at 6:30pm: i i cant go into details of my situation, but i was told if i passed the private polygraph by the 1st of the year, they wouldn't charge me. . If the prosecution is making a charging decision based upon a polygraph, then they don't have enough evidence to convict you, in my opinion. Also, you need to do some serious education on the effectiveness of the polygraph, and the likelyhood of false positives, and educate your attorney ASAP. Good luck.

	"Although the degree of reliability of polygraph evidence may depend upon a variety of identifiable factors, there is simply no way to know in a particular case whether a polygraph examiner's Conclusion is accurate, because certain doubts and uncertainties plague even the best polygraph exams." (Justice Clarence Thomas writing in United States v. Scheffer, 523 U.S. 303, 118 S.Ct. 1261, 140 L.Ed.2d 413, 1998.)
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Barry_C Very Senior User Offline Posts: 114 Joined: Oct 17^th, 2007	Re: need advice about my polygraph Reply #2 - Jan 4^th, 2008 at 2:25am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Quote: my lawyer said if the test didn't come out a full pass, he would tell the prosecutor i refused to take the test Let me get this right: your lawyer told you he'd lie to the prosecutor to protect you? Are you related to this "lawyer"?


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markus_del_marko New User Offline Posts: 8 Joined: Jan 3^rd, 2008	Re: need advice about my polygraph Reply #3 - Jan 4^th, 2008 at 2:58am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Barry_C wrote on Jan 4^th, 2008 at 2:25am: Quote: my lawyer said if the test didn't come out a full pass, he would tell the prosecutor i refused to take the test Let me get this right: your lawyer told you he'd lie to the prosecutor to protect you? Are you related to this "lawyer"? i dunno if its lying per say. both my attorneys said if the test didn't come out well, they would just tell her i didn't take one. no im not related to them at all. i guess the point is they don't want to give her any false ammo per say. the stupid thing is no matter how the test turns out, it cant be used in court either way by either party. this whole experience i've gone through has been a nightmare. i feel so sorry for people like me who are falsely accused of a crime and they make you take a test that is no better than flipping a coin to decide your fate. we have alot going for me and my case if need be, we just wanted to try to nip this in the bum before it went to a full blown ordeal. as i said the poly examiner said i didn't fail the test, he almost seemed like i was soo close to passing it, it scared him a bit. in a way i think he's bullshitting me and i passed. he wouldn't of told me specifically that i passed all the questions related to the case. he just kept going back to one question related to my sexual past.


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markus_del_marko New User Offline Posts: 8 Joined: Jan 3^rd, 2008	Re: need advice about my polygraph Reply #4 - Jan 4^th, 2008 at 8:03pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	i now know how much of a joke these damn tests are. it sickens me that i payed this private polygrapher $$ and all he did was lie and deceive me from start to finish. today he calls me and says well not based on the test, but based on the report i finally received from your lawyer i have to say you have been deceptive to me. so i have to all the sudden deem it a failure. he asked me initially if i had ever been in a mental hospital, i said no. he asked me if i have ever had a polygraph before, i said no. well both were a lie but those questions weren't even asked during the test at all. i think he has been screwing with me from the get go. he had the report from my lawyer or he wouldn't of proceeded with the test. so basically what i gather from him is he's calling me a liar now, but the test didn't show i lied at all. i think i had a perfect test and he knew i used countermeasures during it. i never lied with the answers i gave him. he's just mad i know about the test from start to finish. now he says he wont even re-test me when just the other day he said he would. he was rude and still trying to get me to confess to being dishonest to him over the phone. im searching fro a new lawyer, one who doesn't mention these voodoo tests anymore. im tired of being screwed around and lied to by people who are suppose to be working for me. this examiner is a joke and a horrible excuse for a human being as far as im concerned. they want you to be honest with them, but they lie to you from start to finish. he even said i didn't fail because of the test per say, but because of conflicting reports. i shouldn't have to tell this guy every aspect of my personal life that doesn't relate to the matter at hand. i told the truth to him during the test plain and simple and thats all that matters. i will NEVER AGAIN take another one of these ridiculous tests.
	« Last Edit: Jan 4^th, 2008 at 8:33pm by markus_del_marko »

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Twoblock God Member Offline Posts: 732 Location: AR. Joined: Oct 15^th, 2002 Gender:	Re: need advice about my polygraph Reply #5 - Jan 4^th, 2008 at 9:18pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Markus A polygrapher cannot legally fail you on anything but the results of the test. At this point, he may say that he suspected CMs even thought he didn't say that in the beginning. I know nothing about your case (niether does anyone else but your lawyer and I doubt that he knows whether you are guilty or innocent), but he was an idiot for furnishing your medical reports to the polygrapher. Ask the polygrapher for a copy of the charts. That will probably be an effort in futility. Your new lawyer can get it by duces tecom discovery if your case goes to trial. Have the chart read by the quality board of your state or, better, in another state. Here, again, I'm delving into state's jurisprudence and each state is somewhat different I hear. Just take what I say as a guess and pass it along to your new lawyer.


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Twoblock God Member Offline Posts: 732 Location: AR. Joined: Oct 15^th, 2002 Gender:	Re: need advice about my polygraph Reply #6 - Jan 4^th, 2008 at 9:32pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Markus Further to my post - I just talked to a lawyer friend and he said if you have not signed a form allowing your lawyer to release medical data and his report contained just one page of medical records and the polygrapher made a decision based on that medical record it could open a legal can of worms into the laps of both of them.


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SanchoPanza Especially Senior User Offline Posts: 343 Joined: Dec 8^th, 2007	Re: need advice about my polygraph Reply #7 - Jan 4^th, 2008 at 10:18pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	markus_del_marko wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2008 at 6:30pm: i recently had my polygraph and i think it went very well, i used the countermeasures during control questions and remained calm during all others. the entire exam from start to finish was word by word textbook after reading the lie behind the polygraph from this site. i almost laughed out loud several times. markus_del_marko wrote on Jan 4^th, 2008 at 8:03pm: he asked me initially if i had ever been in a mental hospital, i said no. he asked me if i have ever had a polygraph before, i said no. well both were a lie but those questions weren't even asked during the test at all. markus_del_marko wrote on Jan 4^th, 2008 at 2:58am: i dunno if its lying per say. both my attorneys said if the test didn't come out well, they would just tell her i didn't take one. no im not related to them at all. So what you are saying is that you took a test and used the countermeasures as taught in Mr. Mashke's Book. You lied to the examiner before during and after the test. Your attorney plans to lie to the prosecutor (BTW that is a lie per se) and now the evil polygrapher is calling you a liar. How could something like this have happened to you? HOW DARE HE!!! I guess your big plan didn't work did it. CHRISMCPHEE 33 where are you? You need to read this!!!! At best your attempts to use the counter measures caused the examiner to question the results of the test. I guess you thought that by following a book and lying you could pass. That Mr. markus_del_marko is just another example of THE LIE BEHIND the lie behind the lie detector. Don't get angry at your polygrapher get angry with the people who keep trying to convince you that counter measures work Sancho Panza. PS just a guess, but I'm betting that the report that your attorney finally sent to the examiner provided evidence that you were concealing established facts that he would find material to the design of test questions. sp

	Quand vous citez des langues que vous ne parlez pas afin de sembler intellegent, vous vous avérez seulement que votre tête est gonflée mais videz.
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Donna.Taylor User Offline Posts: 37 Joined: Oct 23^rd, 2007	Re: need advice about my polygraph Reply #8 - Jan 4^th, 2008 at 11:34pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	markus_del_marko wrote on Jan 4^th, 2008 at 8:03pm: i now know how much of a joke these damn tests are. it sickens me that i payed this private polygrapher $$ and all he did was lie and deceive me from start to finish. today he calls me and says well not based on the test, but based on the report i finally received from your lawyer i have to say you have been deceptive to me. so i have to all the sudden deem it a failure. he asked me initially if i had ever been in a mental hospital, i said no. he asked me if i have ever had a polygraph before, i said no. well both were a lie but those questions weren't even asked during the test at all. i think he has been screwing with me from the get go. he had the report from my lawyer or he wouldn't of proceeded with the test. so basically what i gather from him is he's calling me a liar now, but the test didn't show i lied at all. i think i had a perfect test and he knew i used countermeasures during it. i never lied with the answers i gave him. he's just mad i know about the test from start to finish. now he says he wont even re-test me when just the other day he said he would. he was rude and still trying to get me to confess to being dishonest to him over the phone. im searching fro a new lawyer, one who doesn't mention these voodoo tests anymore. im tired of being screwed around and lied to by people who are suppose to be working for me. this examiner is a joke and a horrible excuse for a human being as far as im concerned. they want you to be honest with them, but they lie to you from start to finish. he even said i didn't fail because of the test per say, but because of conflicting reports. i shouldn't have to tell this guy every aspect of my personal life that doesn't relate to the matter at hand. i told the truth to him during the test plain and simple and thats all that matters. i will NEVER AGAIN take another one of these ridiculous tests. Markus can you tell everyone what type of counter measures you were caught utilizing? Also, did you do everything exactly as TLBTLD told you to do?


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markus_del_marko New User Offline Posts: 8 Joined: Jan 3^rd, 2008	Re: need advice about my polygraph Reply #9 - Jan 4^th, 2008 at 11:58pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	yes i answered all the questions honestly. just during control question i thought of things to get me upset. this guy try to make me believe that irrelevant questions such as what state are you in were control questions. i just left out a few things during the pre test interview, that i felt were non of his business and were not asked on the test itself. and sancho, if these test are soo accurate then why the hell aren't they used in courts ? he had the full report before he did the test, he was just lying to me. he even said today it wasn't the questions that made the test fail, it was supposed conflicting reports given to him. the other day he said it would be inconclusive at best and that he thinks i knew more about polygraphs. of course my lawyer will not give any bad test to the prosecutor, that would only give her false ammo. she already doesn't have a shred of proof against me or i wouldn't be a free man still after a 9 month investigation. bottom line is the test is nothing more than a scam that i lost $500 paying for. the first test i took over the summer came out inconclusive too and i told the truth and didn't apply countermeasures. so what do you have to say about that sancho ?


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SanchoPanza Especially Senior User Offline Posts: 343 Joined: Dec 8^th, 2007	Re: need advice about my polygraph Reply #10 - Jan 5^th, 2008 at 12:32am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	What else should I say You have said it all. You used countermeasures and failed your test. If The lie behind the Lie Detector contained the truth, You should have passed. Why do you blame the polygrapher when It was Mr. Mashke who taught you the techniques that didn't work for you? Mr. Mashke will probably just say you didn't do it right. Don't hold yourself responsible all you did was lie and cheat. Don't Hold Mr. Mashke responsible. he just taught you how to lie and cheat. Instead hold the polygrapher responsible even though all he did was catch you lying and cheating. Sancho Panza PS I expect to be accused of being a Schadenfreude any minute sp

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markus_del_marko New User Offline Posts: 8 Joined: Jan 3^rd, 2008	Re: need advice about my polygraph Reply #11 - Jan 5^th, 2008 at 12:57am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	see thats the point i didn't fail the test based on the answers given during the in phase exam. he changed his tune over the past few days and it went from inconclusive to a fail because i didn't disclose all my personal info to him. he is a liar and a fraud. you must be a polygraph examiner aren't you ? how does it feel to have to go to school to be taught to deceive when it comes to people lives and careers. you people are the frauds. all that matters is that i passed the questions answered, which he said i did. he is basing this fail on me not disclosing certain info to him during the pre-test interview. im not saying this site helped or caused me to fail. but ive taken two of these tests and weather i used cm's or not i didn't pass. doesn't matter anyhow no one will ever see it, thats how USELESS they are in the court system.


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SanchoPanza Especially Senior User Offline Posts: 343 Joined: Dec 8^th, 2007	Re: need advice about my polygraph Reply #12 - Jan 5^th, 2008 at 1:11am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	ONE MORE TIME At best your attempts to use the counter measures caused the examiner to question the results of the test. I guess you thought that by following a book and lying you could pass. That Mr. markus_del_marko is just another example of THE LIE BEHIND the lie behind the lie detector. Don't get angry at your polygrapher get angry with the people who keep trying to convince you that counter measures work. SanchoPanza wrote on Jan 5^th, 2008 at 12:32am: What else should I say You have said it all. You used countermeasures and failed your test. If The lie behind the Lie Detector contained the truth, You should have passed. Why do you blame the polygrapher when It was Mr. Mashke who taught you the techniques that didn't work for you? Mr. Mashke will probably just say you didn't do it right. Don't hold yourself responsible all you did was lie and cheat. Don't Hold Mr. Mashke responsible. he just taught you how to lie and cheat. Instead hold the polygrapher responsible even though all he did was catch you lying and cheating. Sancho Panza PS I expect to be accused of being a Schadenfreude any minute sp

	Quand vous citez des langues que vous ne parlez pas afin de sembler intellegent, vous vous avérez seulement que votre tête est gonflée mais videz.
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WJ User Offline Posts: 30 Location: Washington D.C. Joined: Jul 14^th, 2007 Gender:	Re: need advice about my polygraph Reply #13 - Jan 5^th, 2008 at 11:42pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	markus_del_marko wrote on Jan 5^th, 2008 at 12:57am: see thats the point i didn't fail the test based on the answers given during the in phase exam. he changed his tune over the past few days and it went from inconclusive to a fail because i didn't disclose all my personal info to him. he is a liar and a fraud. you must be a polygraph examiner aren't you ? how does it feel to have to go to school to be taught to deceive when it comes to people lives and careers. you people are the frauds. all that matters is that i passed the questions answered, which he said i did. he is basing this fail on me not disclosing certain info to him during the pre-test interview. im not saying this site helped or caused me to fail. but ive taken two of these tests and weather i used cm's or not i didn't pass. doesn't matter anyhow no one will ever see it, thats how USELESS they are in the court system. Hey man don't listen to 'Panza. He's upset since the fraud of polygraphs are being uncovered. I guess he thinks the world is flat as well.

	Counter-measures were easy.
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SanchoPanza Especially Senior User Offline Posts: 343 Joined: Dec 8^th, 2007	Re: need advice about my polygraph Reply #14 - Jan 5^th, 2008 at 11:54pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	You have violated your oath. If you have done what you say you have done I hope they weed your traitorous behind out in training before somebody makes the mistake of trusting you with something important. Of course this is just one man’s opinion. Sancho Panza

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