SanchoPanza wrote on Dec 31
st, 2007 at 2:31am:
I disagree. In the Griebl Case the FBI was given ample information that Griebel had showed deception on his examination and then failed to give it proper weight. That is evident in the record you provided.
Griebl
passed the following questions:
Quote:Q.--Are you double-crossing the agents?
A.--No.
Q.--Are you sincere in present efforts to assist Federal agents?
A.--Yes.
I agree with you that the FBI failed to give proper weight to Griebl's polygraph results:
they should have given them none at all. You continue:
Quote:In the other traitor case, Investigators were again given information regarding his deceptive responses to relevant issues and again chose not to give the information proper weight. The investigators were so worried that the Traitor would find out he was under investigation that they also deliberately withheld information that would have been relevant to any examiner who was trying to determine if he was a spy.
Although Ames (like countless others) had to come back for a second session during the second of his periodic polygraph screening examinations following the commencement of his betrayal of our government, there is no getting around the fact that he
did pass it, and the CIA's misplaced reliance on that result facilitated his continued espionage against the United States. According to the
SSCI assessment, "The fact that Ames passed his 1991 polygraph caused the CIC investigative team to be less suspicious of him."
If polygraph "testing" really worked, it wouldn't matter whether the polygrapher knew that Ames (among others) was under suspicion. And let us not forget that in the CIA's polygraph
jihad that followed Ames' arrest, hundreds of honest employees had their careers pointlessly sidelined. For more on the Ames case, see Chapter 2 of
The Lie Behind the Lie Detector. You write:
Quote:However you choose to characterize the document YOU provided or these official records the language is plain. Neither of these traitors beat "Polygraph" they just beat the investigators.
Bullshit. If polygraphic lie detection worked, Griebl should have failed when asked "Are you double-crossing the agents?" and "Are you sincere in present efforts to assist Federal agents?" Rick Ames should have failed both his 1986 and 1991 periodic polygraph screening examinations. The hundreds of CIA employees who wrongly failed their polygraph screening examinations in the aftermath of Ames' arrest should have passed. And the other spies I mentioned earlier (
Karel Frantisek Koecher,
Larry Wu-tai Chin,
Ana Belen Montes, and
Leandro Aragoncillo, and
Jiri Pasovsky) should not have passed.
Polygraph "testing" is a pseudoscientific fraud that is undermining, not enhancing, national security and public safety. The polygraph community -- which puts its collective self-interest above the national interest -- is not to be trusted, and the results of their bogus "tests" are not to be relied upon for such weighty matters as our national security.