Mr. Mashke While I have long maintained that profanity is the refuge of the weak minded, please allow me to borrow your expletive.

BULLSHIT YOURSELF.  If you had somehow passed your polygraph all those years ago, THIS SITE WOULD NOT EXIST and the Federal government would be stuck with you. That is the  REAL TRUTH behind the lie behind the lie detector. 

You are no crusader. You just lack the ability to stop stomping your sour grapes.

Sancho Panza

Drew Richardson,
Respond to what?

I have already provided quotes from two official investigations regarding the Aldrich Ames case that stand by themselves. They are accurate quotes and I have not misrepresented the conclusions of the investigative bodies. 

I provided a direct quote regarding the Griebl Case from the very document Mr. Mashke posted on his website. It too stands for itself. It is accurate, all I did was cut and paste the quote. Oh and Mr., Mashke forgot to tell us that Griebl passed on the question about having breakfast too. 

In both investigations, following polygraph examinations, the investigators were told the traitors were lying. In both investigations the investigators failed to give weight to the information they were given by the polygraphers that the traitors were lying. The result of both sets of investigators failure to listen to the polygraphers was continued traitorous acts by the very persons the polygraphers said were lying.

As to the other spies he said passed their polygraph, I took the time to follow the links he provided and learned that Mr. Mashke was attempting to use his own previous statements in an attempt to verify the accuracy of his most recent statements. That doesn't count as supporting documentation in my book. Neither does the for-profit ramblings of reporters, who seem to rely too much on "Unnamed sources" If he can provide substantive documentation, I assure you I will read it (probably more thoroughly than Mr. Mashke) and respond as I feel inclined. 

As to his rant in the Sex Offender section; that's all that is, just rant. It offers no information refuting the post to which he is making a response. He isn’t responding at all, just stating an opinion. 

Do you really think I need to remind or inform the members of this forum that I disagree with his opinion of Polygraph? Did you think I would be shocked or surprised at the news you agree with him?

As to your criticism that I somehow failed to respond to his post; both of you have failed to respond to points made and questions from my previous posts. Mr. Mashke chooses instead to proselytize his anti-polygraph, vengeance based Mantra while you rally to his defense like a JV cheerleader trying to make the Varsity Squad.

Do you really think he needs that much help stomping his sour grapes?

Do you believe that he would be critical of polygraph if he had somehow managed to pass his test? Do you think his site would exist if he had somehow managed to pass his polygraph test?

Based on everything you know about Mr. Mashke; if you were still with the FBI and you supervised an Agent with Mr. Mashke's personality characteristics would you feel comfortable assigning him to your most sensitive investigations? Why? Why not? 
Think about it and be truthful.

Sancho Panza

P.S.  as to your comment that I made an unsupported and irrelevant assertion I will respond as follows. 
Motive is never irrelevant and  support for this assertion appears in the personal statement of Mr. Mashke that appears on this web site, although I find it conspicuously absent from the forward of his book, which in my opinion is further evidence of THE LIE BEHIND The Lie Behind The Lie Detector, as a lie of omission.  

(modified to respond to DR's comment regarding my assertion)
s.p.

It looks to me like George wins the debate again.  Next thread please.

Barry_C wrote on Jan 4^th, 2008 at 2:16am:



So, you are saying that it acceptable that a "screening exam" only be 75% accurate?  That it is okay to brand 25% of police applicants liars, knowing that the false positive polygraph result will follow them throughout  your carreer?

And you declare that you are a Man of God?

"A lie consists in speaking a falsehood with the intention of deceiving.  The Lord denounces lying as the work of the devil: "You are of your father the devil, . . . there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks according to his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies."