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beezy New User Offline Posts: 12 Joined: Dec 2^nd, 2007	countermeasures Dec 19^th, 2007 at 7:43am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	i have to take my first poly and i am nervous as hell. on the CQ's if i am doing the biting tongue counter measure do i bite my tongue after the question is asked or after i answer to raise the spike? also how does biting the tongue cause a spike? does the pain increase my blood pressure? same goes with the ass spinctor technique? thanks


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Jesper Paten User Offline Posts: 32 Joined: Dec 13^th, 2007	Re: countermeasures Reply #1 - Dec 19^th, 2007 at 9:29am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	beezy wrote on Dec 19^th, 2007 at 7:43am: i have to take my first poly and i am nervous as hell. on the CQ's if i am doing the biting tongue counter measure do i bite my tongue after the question is asked or after i answer to raise the spike? also how does biting the tongue cause a spike? does the pain increase my blood pressure? same goes with the ass spinctor technique? thanks Sir, If you bite your tongue before you answer, the examiner will surely observe you. You have to open your mouth to answer 'NO' and then as the 'O' trails off, slide your tongue between the molars (on the side away from the examiner), so that as your mouth closes, you can give yourself a good hard bite on side of tongue. You do that immediately following your answers to the Control Questions. According to research quoted by the APA, the tongue-biting measures can reduce the efficiency of this test by approximatly 70%. You can also effect the anus-pinching at the same time, but do not overdo that one. Probably you will instructed to sit on an electronic cushion, that one is designed to detect the anus-pinches - so practise the pinch and just do it slowly and to 50% of maximum pinch and hold it pinched for about 5-10 seconds. The tongue-bite will cause bigger reactions in the galvanic skin reactor (GSR) and usually also a same-time bigger reaction in the cardiograph. The anus pinching can result in also increased GSR and altered cardio and respiratory traces. The key factor is do not overdo it and practice the tongue biting using a mirror so you can perfek it without being observed. At the start of your test, be very polite to the examiner. Ask him if he is related to a movie star. Give him a chocolat. Respectfully, JP

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EJohnson Limited (No Attachments) Offline Internet Countermeasures Yields Failed Tests Posts: 176 Joined: Oct 23^rd, 2007	Re: countermeasures Reply #2 - Dec 19^th, 2007 at 1:29pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Brilliant. The perfect recipe for a failed polygraph test. Nothing says "I am engaging in countermeasures" like the phony reaction given by the physical pain response. I am afraid that Mr. Hasselhoff here is telling you to invest in subprime mortgage markets. There again, the Germanic people are not known for their subtleties.
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Jesper Paten User Offline Posts: 32 Joined: Dec 13^th, 2007	Re: countermeasures Reply #3 - Dec 19^th, 2007 at 2:34pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	EJohnson wrote on Dec 19^th, 2007 at 1:29pm: Brilliant. The perfect recipe for a failed polygraph test. Nothing says "I am engaging in countermeasures" like the phony reaction given by the physical pain response. I am afraid that Mr. Hasselhoff here is telling you to invest in subprime mortgage markets. There again, the Germanic people are not known for their subtleties. Sir Johnson, The examiner cannot differentiate between pain induced arousal or natural arousal. The tracing is simplistic. All it can do is go up, or down. Germans are known for their pragmatism and inability to swallow ballshit while thinking it is maybe a black forest cake. The lies of the polygrapf examiners are now well known worldwide. The polygrapf industry is in panic. The end for them is close I think. Respectfully, Your buddy, JP

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EJohnson Limited (No Attachments) Offline Internet Countermeasures Yields Failed Tests Posts: 176 Joined: Oct 23^rd, 2007	Re: countermeasures Reply #4 - Dec 19^th, 2007 at 4:11pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Jesper Paten wrote on Dec 19^th, 2007 at 2:34pm: EJohnson wrote on Dec 19^th, 2007 at 1:29pm: Brilliant. The perfect recipe for a failed polygraph test. Nothing says "I am engaging in countermeasures" like the phony reaction given by the physical pain response. I am afraid that Mr. Hasselhoff here is telling you to invest in subprime mortgage markets. There again, the Germanic people are not known for their subtleties. Sir Johnson, The examiner cannot differentiate between pain induced arousal or natural arousal. The tracing is simplistic. All it can do is go up, or down.Germans are known for their pragmatism and inability to swallow ballshit while thinking it is maybe a black forest cake. The lies of the polygrapf examiners are now well known worldwide. The polygrapf industry is in panic. The end for them is close I think. Respectfully, Your buddy, JP Not true Hans ole buddy. The polygrams present with many notable differences regarding artificial versus natural. You are essentially saying that examiners cannot differentiate between tar pools and tire skid marks----and speaking of skid marks; Quote: Germans are known for their pragmatism and inability to swallow ballshit Uh yeah, when I think of people who have a history of not swallowing a bill of goods, I think of Germans. I do however exclude German Americans, many of whom I know and adore.

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nopolycop Especially Senior User Offline Posts: 383 Joined: Oct 20^th, 2007	Re: countermeasures Reply #5 - Dec 19^th, 2007 at 4:52pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	[quote author=27280D0A0C110D0C620 link=1198050218/0#4 date=1198080674 Not true Hans ole buddy. The polygrams present with many notable differences regarding artificial versus natural. [/quote] Which is, of course, why the ol butt pad was invented. Or is it considered "natural" to clench your old puckerer when answering "no"?

	"Although the degree of reliability of polygraph evidence may depend upon a variety of identifiable factors, there is simply no way to know in a particular case whether a polygraph examiner's Conclusion is accurate, because certain doubts and uncertainties plague even the best polygraph exams." (Justice Clarence Thomas writing in United States v. Scheffer, 523 U.S. 303, 118 S.Ct. 1261, 140 L.Ed.2d 413, 1998.)
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nopolycop Especially Senior User Offline Posts: 383 Joined: Oct 20^th, 2007	Re: countermeasures Reply #6 - Dec 19^th, 2007 at 4:54pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	beezy wrote on Dec 19^th, 2007 at 7:43am: i have to take my first poly and i am nervous as hell. Why do you "have" to take your first poly? Why are you nervous? What are you trying to hide?

	"Although the degree of reliability of polygraph evidence may depend upon a variety of identifiable factors, there is simply no way to know in a particular case whether a polygraph examiner's Conclusion is accurate, because certain doubts and uncertainties plague even the best polygraph exams." (Justice Clarence Thomas writing in United States v. Scheffer, 523 U.S. 303, 118 S.Ct. 1261, 140 L.Ed.2d 413, 1998.)
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Twoblock God Member Offline Posts: 732 Location: AR. Joined: Oct 15^th, 2002 Gender:	Re: countermeasures Reply #7 - Dec 19^th, 2007 at 5:34pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	nopoly4me Nixon once said "I don't know if the polygraph works or not, but it sure scares the hell out of people".


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beezy New User Offline Posts: 12 Joined: Dec 2^nd, 2007	Re: countermeasures Reply #8 - Dec 19^th, 2007 at 5:54pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	i am nervous because i am applying for a job and i have done somethings in my past that i know they will ask me. so can somebody please explain how biting the tongue causes a reation on their graph? what it does physically to your body to cause such a reaction?


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triple x Very Senior User Offline Fear what you cannot see... Posts: 209 Location: USA Joined: Oct 16^th, 2002 Gender:	Re: countermeasures Reply #9 - Dec 19^th, 2007 at 6:15pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	beezy, The answer to all of your questions can be found in "TLBTLD" which is available for free on this website. I strongly suggest that you carefully read the booklet, and educate yourself about polygraph testing and the methods involved. The booklet specifically addresses multiple polygraph countermeasures to include tongue biting and the anal sphincter technique. triple x


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EJohnson Limited (No Attachments) Offline Internet Countermeasures Yields Failed Tests Posts: 176 Joined: Oct 23^rd, 2007	Re: countermeasures Reply #10 - Dec 19^th, 2007 at 6:17pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	beezy wrote on Dec 19^th, 2007 at 5:54pm: i am nervous because i am applying for a job and i have done somethings in my past that i know they will ask me. so can somebody please explain how biting the tongue causes a reation on their graph? what it does physically to your body to cause such a reaction? Let me put it this way. Your polygraph examiner, after recording your "graphs" will have seen your natural arousals and if you attempt countermeasures, he will view your corny ones. Think about it this way----here comes an analogy. Your examiner will be differentiating between a fake laugh, and your real, full bodied laugh. To make matters worse for you, your examiner has probably attended a hand ful of the latest "spotting fake laugh" seminars. We as a profession are much better at detecting such artifacts than we were say, 5 years ago. According to my anecdotal experience, and recent research on TLBTLD countermeasures------you will sink like a led zeppelin if you goof with your test. Bummer.

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beezy New User Offline Posts: 12 Joined: Dec 2^nd, 2007	Re: countermeasures Reply #11 - Dec 19^th, 2007 at 6:25pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	i am going to take a 50/50 chance of beating the machine by applying countermeasures versus a 100% of failing or not getting this great job. i have downloaded and read the literature in "TLBTLD" i am still having problems understanding what are control questions and what are irrelevant questions. i know what the relevant questions are. "is the light on in this room?" i would of thought that is a control question. can somebody explain the difference? please


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EJohnson Limited (No Attachments) Offline Internet Countermeasures Yields Failed Tests Posts: 176 Joined: Oct 23^rd, 2007	Re: countermeasures Reply #12 - Dec 19^th, 2007 at 6:29pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	No matter what happens, let us know how it goes!

	All men are mortal. Socrates was mortal. Therefore, &&all men are Socrates.-----Woody Allen &&
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beezy New User Offline Posts: 12 Joined: Dec 2^nd, 2007	Re: countermeasures Reply #13 - Dec 19^th, 2007 at 6:53pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	thanks. but i dont see how anybody can prove i used countermeasure, they can assume but its their weird against mine but can anybody answer my questions to my last replay?


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chrismcphee33 User Offline Posts: 34 Joined: Dec 12^th, 2007	Re: countermeasures Reply #14 - Dec 19^th, 2007 at 7:31pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Beezy, I don't understand how you could have read TLBTLD and not understand how countermeasures work or how to implement them. It's not rocket science, maybe you should read more carefully.


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