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George W. Maschke Global Moderator Offline Make-believe science yields make-believe security. Posts: 6223 Joined: Sep 29^th, 2000	Re: test whilst uner medication Reply #15 - Dec 15^th, 2007 at 6:19am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	skip.webb wrote on Dec 14^th, 2007 at 4:18pm: First to Mr. Mascke: Sir, you mislead "Syd123" by saying there are no studies on the effects of various drugs and the accuracy of polygraph and that there are no studies on the use of polygraph and medical conditions. In fact there are numerous studies on each. As early as 1965, Published in The National Institute of Police Science (Japan) "The effect of Tranquilizers on Polygraph Tests" reports a study in which participants were given both stimulants and anti-depressants/anti-anxiety drugs as well as a control group who were given a placebo. No significant differences in classifications were noted except those on tranquilizers showed stronger reactions (quite the opposite that one might expect. There have been studies on beta blockers, on valium and methylphenidate with a result of no effect on identification rates with much higher than chance identification (100% on truthful and 88% on guilty) by Iacono, Boisvenu &Fleming in 1984. Studies have been accomplished on diagnosed sociopaths and confirmed non-sociopath subjects in a prison with excellent identification results. As early as 1962, Heckel, Brokaw, Salzberg and Wiggens tested non delusional psychoneurotic subjects against non-neurotic subjects with excellent results with 100% identification rate detection of "normals" and 87.5% on the neurotic group. Skip, Thank you for correcting my error. I was unaware of the studies you cite. In searching for references to them, I came across the text of a letter from DACA (then DoDPI) chief of research Andy Ryan to Al Zelicoff, M.D. in which the former replied to the latter's questions, "What reference(s) does [then DoDPI research Dr. Gordon] Barland have which demonstrates 'no effect of commonly used medication' on the utility of polygraphy?" and "What is the change in electrodermal potential response to questions (both calibration questions as well as standard polygraph questions) as a function of disease state or progression for the following diseases? [Please provide references from the medical literature]: Diabetes (Type I and Type II), Congestive Heart Failure, Hypertension, Asthma, Glaucoma (treated with anti-muscarnic drugs), HIV (not AIDS and not on treatment)." Ryan's answers, and Zelicoff's critique and commentary, may be of interest to syd123. http://www.spse.org/Polygraph_comments_Albuque.html#ZWritten

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skip.webb New User Offline Posts: 18 Joined: Oct 15^th, 2007	Re: test whilst uner medication Reply #16 - Dec 16^th, 2007 at 3:45pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Mr. Maschke, I find it diffiuclt to believe that your response to "Syd123" was an error as much as it was your often quoted standard unsupported assertions. You tend to shoot from the hip more and more on this forum wihtout first aligning your target and checking your ammo. You cite Dr. Zelicoff's response to Dr. Ryan as if it were "The Gospel according to Luke" rather than merely an exchange of opinions voiced between two scientists. Your usual method...throw out something while you try to come up with something accurate. No change here.


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beatthepolygraph New User Offline Posts: 1 Joined: Mar 14^th, 2008	Re: test whilst uner medication Reply #17 - Mar 15^th, 2008 at 12:13am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Hello All. I recently took a polygraph with a Department about two months ago I dont feel needs to be disclosed. However I PASSED, I cannot believe it but I did. Here is the magic answer everyone on this site is looking for. Take Xanax, or Valium and ((YOU WILL PASS)) no matter what you have done and how long ago it was. I'm serious, I knew a guy who shot up some steroids about 3 days prior to his poly, he took a Zanny or (Xanax) and passed with flying colors. For someone who has never taken this medication before, I reccomend that about 30min prior to your poly, take about 10mg of Valium, or the same mg worth of Xanax. Good luck and remember, NO MATTER WHAT YOU'VE DONE, OR HOW LONG AGO IT WAS, OR EVEN HOW NERVOUS YOU ARE, BY THE TIME YOU ANTI ANXIETY MEDS KICKS IN, YOU COULD CARE A LESS IF YOUR MOTHER DIED (LOL)<-- GOOD LUCK ALL


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T.M. Cullen God Member Offline Posts: 858 Location: Hawaii Joined: Dec 5^th, 2007 Gender:	Re: test whilst uner medication Reply #18 - Mar 15^th, 2008 at 4:35am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	For what it is worth, I took a tranquilizer (clonzepam) prior to my test and still failed. I didn't take it to beat the test, I take it occasionally for nervousness and anxiety, and have a prescription. And yes, I told them I had taken it. Fer medicinal purposes, of course. Bottom line, if you fall for their crap that you must be lying simply because you react on the machine, and consequently (and naively) make an insignificant admission regard a relevant question, they will blow it out of proportion and fail you. No matter how drugged up you are. So, scratch your head, look like you are really cooperating and trying to come up with something to account for your "tremor in the blood", but no say nothing amigo! TC

	"There is no direct and unequivocal connection between lying and these physiological states of arousal...(referring to polygraph)." Dr. Phil Zimbardo, Phd, Standford University
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