Are there college type text books available for purchase anywhere?  If so, which are the best, and where are they purchased?

Thank-you George, I will attempt to find one.  But, what I am primarily looking for are textbooks that are used in polygraph schools to teach and certify examiners.

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The book is hardly scholarly.  It essentially says that the CQT makes no sense to him, so it can't work.  That's not science, and the much venerated NAS report disagreed with him in regard to single-issue tests.  He also makes suppositions about polygraph that are wrong, but then again, he had no training in polygraph, so he wasn't an expert on the subject.

With that said, it's worth reading.

Some schools use Matte's book as their text.  I think others might use Murray Kleiner's, which I highly recommend.  (It's got pro and con views.)  Stan Abrams wrote some books along the way too.  Keep in mind they also use various psychology, physiology, psychophysiology texts, etc.  Some shcools also require students to read a lot of studies.

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George, you keep throwing this out in what appears to be an attempt to demean polygraph examiners and polygraph schools.

"Only 14 weeks"?  That's not exactly true.  First, most schools are 10 weeks long (academic portion).  Some do eight in-residence with a two-week project of some sort to get to 10 weeks.  After the academic portion, most require an internship of some type, making polygraph school about a year long in total.

Let's get back to that "mere" 8 to 14 weeks.  Polygraph school consists of five to six eight-hour days.  That's like taking 8 to 14 back-to-back j-terms (each a 40-hour 3-credit course).  The 14-week course to which you refer is DACA's, and students leave there with a graduate certificate (15 credits!) from an accredited school - credits which transfer to another regionally accredited school and can be applied towards a graduate degree (in forensic psychology).

The school I attended was 12 weeks long, and I earned 28 undergraduate credits (from a regionally accredited college).  My internship (which made school about a year long) was worth another five credits; although, I don't know if they ever got applied to my transcript.

The bottom line: if we spread my classes out like they did when most of us attended college, it would have taken a full academic year to complete - and that's just the academic portion.  So, yes, we cram about a year's worth of training in a short period of time, but then that's all we do during that time is learn and study.

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Lykken was not a scientist ??

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One does not have to attend the Hogwart School to know that the casting of spells and the like is non-scientific hogwash.

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Sir, do we presume the same holds true for some Grammar Schools.

Respectfully,
JP

Barry_C wrote on Dec 14^th, 2007 at 1:18am:


Barry,

While you've cherry-picked a sentence from Lykken's quotation from Canadian Justice Donald B. Morand's Report of the Ontario Royal Commission into Metropolitan Toronto Police Practices to support your characterization of Lykken's position regarding the CQT as being not based on evidence, but merely, "the CQT makes no sense to him, so it can't work," I think I've adequately demonstrated to the unbiased reader that this is not an accurate characterization.

With regard to my characterization of Matte's and Kleiner's books as not being "textbooks per se," I meant that they are written not so much as instructional books (which is what I think nopoly4me was looking for) but rather as reference works. In terms of what nopoly4me is seeking, I think these two books are nonetheless probably the closest match.

Is the National Academy of Sciences report available without editing somewhere online???

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nopoly

The Handbook of Polygraph Testing edited by Murray Kleiner is easily found on line and is my best reccomendation.