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Reply #45 - Dec 8th, 2010 at 11:48am
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EJohnson wrote on Dec 9th, 2007 at 9:48pm:
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The restrictions are far more justified by the habitual use of pornography and sexual chat rooms by offenders



Of course, the absolute worse case senario is that an offender falls in the 4-6% category of actually sexually reoffending after their conviction. I hope and pray that you aren't in that hopeless category.



You do realize that these statistics usually include non-sex crime offenses, the statistic is even lower for sex crime reoffenses.

Also you do realize that the sex offenders that are beyond hope are going to be the first to break probation, not care about violating their computer clause, and pass all their tests using countermeasures anyway? In turn for passing the test, the courts, probation officers and SOTP will make things easier for them. On the other hand committed to treatment sex offenders get the book thrown out them for being honest and failing.

With that being said. I don't see how anyone thinks this is a good tool for SOTP.

  
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Reply #46 - Nov 4th, 2015 at 7:25pm
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How can a person with a neorological brain disorder and ASD have a fair test result?
A person with ASD (Autism Spectrum Disorder) brains do not work like the average person. They twitch or clinch fingers, heart rates differently and also proccess speeds differ then the general/average person.
If a person that has this is honest but has these type disabilities,  wouldnt their test results always show a non passing result?
  
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Reply #47 - Nov 4th, 2015 at 7:36pm
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How can a person with a neorological brain disorder and ASD have a fair test result?
A person with ASD (Autism Spectrum Disorder) brains do not work like the average person. They twitch or clinch fingers, heart rates differently and also proccess speeds differ then the general/average person.
If a person that has this is honest but has these type disabilities,  wouldnt their test results always show a non passing result?


Polygraphy doesn't work at all, even with people who don't have brain disorders. It's pseudoscience

Note the spelling of Asperger Syndrome.
  

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Reply #48 - Nov 4th, 2015 at 8:10pm
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George W. Maschke wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 7:36pm:
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How can a person with a neorological brain disorder and ASD have a fair test result?
A person with ASD (Autism Spectrum Disorder) brains do not work like the average person. They twitch or clinch fingers, heart rates differently and also proccess speeds differ then the general/average person.
If a person that has this is honest but has these type disabilities,  wouldnt their test results always show a non passing result?


Polygraphy doesn't work at all, even with people who don't have brain disorders. It's pseudoscience

Note the spelling of Asperger Syndrome.

Sorry I was in a hurry and didnt even look at soelling. Thanks for that.
I know from reading that this person will fail. The original court order and doctors advice is that this person should not do these tests as a sure fail because of this persons disabilities. But if a test they would have to be aware of this persons disabilities etc..however the P.O. decided to follow through with doing them.
I am concerned for this person. Disabilities such as what this person has is a new in the legal field and has had ground breaking results in the legal field. However many officers, lawyers, judges and so forth are not trained to understand these types of disabilities. Its been a mountain of climbing. Though I know they do not work at all, what rights does a person have once they are told they must take it?
My concern is the abuse mentioned in other posts from theropists or P.Os if a test is failed towards this person with a brain disability. Just stimuli such as fast paced questions can set a tick of confusion.
Concerned for this persons future and rights.
  
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Re: Who Lying
Reply #49 - Nov 5th, 2015 at 5:53pm
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George W. Maschke wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 7:36pm:
Note the spelling of Asperger Syndrome.

George, Asperger Syndrome falls under the umbrella term "Autism Spectrum Disorder."

*Asd, Probation Officers use the polygraph as a 24 hour tail. I cannot see a judge revoking probation as a result of a stressed polygraph when the probationer suffers from such a disorder.

George is merely saying that your concerns are moot as the polygraph is not scientific regardless of whether one suffers from ASD or not. I am not aware of any research conducted with the polygraph and ASD.

However, some psychophysiological recording may help to study ASD. An interesting study in Finland is looking to see if a fearful expression may be misinterpreted as overly arousing or threatening. This study will use psychophysiological (skin conductance, heart rate, EEG) measurements to explore how children with ASD respond to exaggerated forms of direct eye gaze – either by demonstrating a fearful reaction or a defensive reaction.
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Reply #50 - Jan 21st, 2017 at 7:14pm
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Underjustice wrote on Dec 9th, 2007 at 7:20pm:
I have recently took two poly in less than 30 days and was told I failed them both.  The first poly I failed only one question out of three.  However, I was told because I failed that one question that means I was lying about the other two but I didn't show any lying on those two.
I knew that I haven't violated any conditions of my parole.  I couldn't understand why this one question which was so broad can overshadow the the other two question which was specific to what I am on parole for.
The second poly I failed on the same broad question but I also was told I show same strong reaction this time on the other two questions which I passed on the the first poly.  Again, I knew by a shadow of doubt I have not violated any condition of my parole concerning any of the three questions.  My question than who lying?

Well in my situation i told the truth on a post conviction Polygraph and they said i flat out lied. So after that I had to do SO classes yuck so my lawyer told me to go with the flow and I did I didn't know about this website but I figured If i was telling the truth originally then i would start lying on future polygraphs hell I didnt change anything had computers when I wasn't supposed to saw hookers porn did what I pleased but i was careful so then when it came time for the polygraph I simply went in and flat out lied on every question except for the control questions and i went on to pass 8 straight polygraphs. Then I finished up the class and I was released from classes and probation so long story short I was convicted of a he said she said situation and it was my fault as far as going to the cops telling my side and got screwed over royally now I don't trust cops nor will i ever help them I despise them. Oh and the polygraphs are nothing more then a witchhunt and moneymaker i don't care what anyone says whether your a SO or not this system is useless it doesn't help anyone!!
  
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