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Fred F. Very Senior User Offline Get Educated.... Knowledge is Power Posts: 225 Joined: Apr 4^th, 2001	Re: LEO pre-emp polygraph, general questions Reply #45 - Dec 5^th, 2007 at 4:39am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Sergeant1107 wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2007 at 8:19am: Barry_C wrote on Nov 29^th, 2007 at 11:29pm: Quote: However without a confession, then it's only possibly. So is s jury's or judge's guilty verdict. Without a confession a guilty verdict is only a possibility? Are you serious? In some cases that is true, but in many others it is not. A blanket statement like that without any qualifiers attached is intentionally misleading. It attempts to link the polygraph with the court system in order to gain credibility the polygraph simply does not have. A polygraph result without a confession is ALWAYS merely a possibility. Regardless of a confession or lack thereof, a guilty verdict in a trial is very often the result of incontrovertible physical evidence. Sarge, Barry That is why defense lawyers make so much money nowadays, They will twist, bend, manipulate, and retool evidence to mislead the jury. The right statement at the right time will make a difference. Also a guilty verdict can be the result of poor defense too.(a little devils advocacy there) Fred F.


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nopolycop Especially Senior User Offline Posts: 383 Joined: Oct 20^th, 2007	Re: LEO pre-emp polygraph, general questions Reply #46 - Dec 5^th, 2007 at 2:40pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Fred F. wrote on Dec 5^th, 2007 at 4:39am: [ That is why defense lawyers make so much money nowadays, They will twist, bend, manipulate, and retool evidence to mislead the jury. Don't forget the police and prosecution... I have seen amazing lengths the police and prosecution will go to for the hopes of a conviction, only to have convicted the wrong individual. DNA is clearing these victims of police/prosecutor misconduct daily.

	"Although the degree of reliability of polygraph evidence may depend upon a variety of identifiable factors, there is simply no way to know in a particular case whether a polygraph examiner's Conclusion is accurate, because certain doubts and uncertainties plague even the best polygraph exams." (Justice Clarence Thomas writing in United States v. Scheffer, 523 U.S. 303, 118 S.Ct. 1261, 140 L.Ed.2d 413, 1998.)
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Fred F. Very Senior User Offline Get Educated.... Knowledge is Power Posts: 225 Joined: Apr 4^th, 2001	Re: LEO pre-emp polygraph, general questions Reply #47 - Dec 6^th, 2007 at 1:05am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	NoPoly, I agree with you on that point. There have been many innocent men who have spent large amounts of their lives in prison for crimes they did not commit. Kudos to Barry Scheck and his Innocence Project for proving these men were the victims of overzealous prosecution and poor police investigations. Another point to consider is that the polygraph may have been involved in these cases too. Operator bias may be a key to the mens being found deceptive, simply because the polygrapher may have presumptions of guilt. They don't want to be a "stand up" person for the "criminal element" who was actually guilty. It would be safe to assume that this is a minority of those who "work the box" Fred F.


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