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Paradiddle Very Senior User Offline Posts: 158 Joined: Sep 24^th, 2007	Re: AP Countermeasure Trainer Reply #15 - Sep 30^th, 2007 at 11:00pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	EosJupiter wrote on Sep 30^th, 2007 at 10:28pm: Ludovico, Turn the other cheek ? Humanity, caring, concern for other humans. Foreign concepts to those who interrogate and terrorize for a living. For evil to prevail, the only thing a good man has to do, is nothing. Doing nothing is not within my personality. I have the audacity, intellect and resources to wage this fight. I fully intend too ! Regards .... I am suddenly awash with the notion that you may have some serious mental health issues Eos. I initially thought you misguided, but I am quickly becoming suspicious that a deeper problem exists. You perceive evil where there is some dust and neglect. Your "calling" is strikingly similar to an infamous young man's calling to impress Jodi Foster back in the 80's---a similar distorted perception that you've superimposed a sort of perscribed moral certification for. You no doubt have the intellect, but you claim a fight that does not exist---a virtual war between those that use an imperfect but scientifically valid tool to detect deception, and you ---who believe in unscientificly proven countermeasures for tests that you claim are unscientific. I am beginning to believe you Eos when you claim that you can beat the polygraph, as perhaps you are mentally unfit for the test-----a person who insanely believes that they are Aristotle will pass their tests if asked about such.

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nonombre Especially Senior User Offline Posts: 334 Joined: Jun 18^th, 2005	Re: AP Countermeasure Trainer Reply #16 - Sep 30^th, 2007 at 11:12pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Eos, If I e-mail you, would you give ME the key to your cool new program? After all, if it is really "air tight", then me having read through it shouldn't hurt anything, should it? Besides, I would really really like to check it out! Furthermore, as I have heard COUNTLESS times on this site, "REAL SCIENCE" doesn't need secrets. If you REALLY want to help everyone with your slick new program, then you should make it available to ALL (Just like the LBTLD)... I mean, Gee, what if George M. had made his e-book available only to his closest friends? The rest of you wouldn't have ANYTHING legal to read in the john... Soooooooo, what if I say "pretty please?"


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Ludovico Senior User Offline I was cured all right. Posts: 99 Joined: Sep 29^th, 2007	Re: AP Countermeasure Trainer Reply #17 - Oct 1^st, 2007 at 12:08am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Quote: Turn the other cheek ? Humanity, caring, concern for other humans. Foreign concepts to those who interrogate and terrorize for a living. Wow. That's an awful lot of judgement there, huh boss. How could you possibly know that I lack compassion, or concern for other persons? You deduce that from my avatar, or from some tea leaves? Would you say the same thing about all prison wardens? We do know that prisons incarcerate some inncocent persons. Does that make the existence of prisons invalid, or unethical? And while we're talking, is your concern one of simple scientific validity, or are you compelled to take on a moralistic approach to this matter. I ask because you talk about concern for science, but the intensity of moralizing in your dialog reeks of something other than science. You've got an axe to grind, but it ain't about science pal. With you, its personal. So what happened? Someone hurt your feelings? That kind of resentment is toxic. I hope you have people to talk to - besides your family, 'cause that kind of intensity will take its toll (unless they are more or less completely engaged in your struggle, and we often call that co-dependent). I don't mean to sound flip at the moment. I'd like to hear your beef. So tell us.

	Welly, welly, welly, welly, welly, welly, well. To what do I owe the extreme pleasure of this surprising visit?
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EosJupiter Especially Senior User Offline But of Course ... Posts: 483 Location: Always Out There ...... Joined: Feb 28^th, 2005	Re: AP Countermeasure Trainer Reply #18 - Oct 1^st, 2007 at 12:14am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Paradiddle wrote on Sep 30^th, 2007 at 11:00pm: I am suddenly awash with the notion that you may have some serious mental health issues Eos. I initially thought you misguided, but I am quickly becoming suspicious that a deeper problem exists. You perceive evil where there is some dust and neglect. Paradiddle, A deep seated anger maybe, that has fomented for years, but nothing as malevolent as you post or suspect. I am fully aware of any psychosis that I may present here. I have said many times I have authority issues, especially those that claim to be omnipotent, such as the polygraph industry. My fight ends when quarter is given that your process and machine are subject to human error, you police your own effectively, and you live by a code of ethics that has teeth and is enforceable, and verifiable. And above all else not treat people who want to work, who have valuable talents to add to this fight we are in, as criminals, who are considered suspect and guilty of something until polygraphed otherwise. My fight is done when this happens. As far as LE having the polygraph for uses on dumb criminals. Not an issue for me, just my opinion, and I speak only for myself NoNombre: You can depend on having it !!! As a matter of fact I planned on it, I will send you the complete tool kit, in robust detail & in depth , and fully intact, no keys needed as I know you wouldn't be passing it around except to other federal polygraphers. When I have it ready for prime time (soon), I want no mistakes about it. Almost 4 years of research to complete this. It will be ready. I have really no intention of ever fully releasing it. Just that fact that the toolkit exists is enough to prove my point. And thats really all I want. Regards ....

	Theory into Reality !!
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Ludovico Senior User Offline I was cured all right. Posts: 99 Joined: Sep 29^th, 2007	Re: AP Countermeasure Trainer Reply #19 - Oct 1^st, 2007 at 12:45am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Quote: I am fully aware of any psychosis that I may present here. I have said many times I have authority issues, especially those that claim to be omnipotent, such as the polygraph industry. EOS, You should be aware that psychosis, in modern clinical usage, refers to a lack of contact with reality. I'm not sure that's what you meant, and I'm quite sure we cannot deduce any psychosis through this forum "discussion." Most issues, including authority issues, are of the non-psychotic variety. As to polygraph omnipotence, I think you might want to check yourself out there, bucko, for how much of that is your own projection. I know no polygraphers who think themselves omnipotent. As a whole they take their work quite seriously, but that's not the same as simple-minded belief in some form of perfect test. There is no such thing. Polygraph is just a test. Its a good test: lie and your prolly gonna get caught, tell the truth and cooperate and yer prolly gonna pass. If you wanna job or a good report, your best bet is to avoid becoming fodder for the cause and stay away from all the crazy-making at this site. You, EOS, might consider the possibility that you may have inadvertently done as much to mystify the thing as anyone else.

	Welly, welly, welly, welly, welly, welly, well. To what do I owe the extreme pleasure of this surprising visit?
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EosJupiter Especially Senior User Offline But of Course ... Posts: 483 Location: Always Out There ...... Joined: Feb 28^th, 2005	Re: AP Countermeasure Trainer Reply #20 - Oct 1^st, 2007 at 6:36am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Ludovico wrote on Oct 1^st, 2007 at 12:45am: You, EOS, might consider the possibility that you may have inadvertently done as much to mystify the thing as anyone else. Ludovico, This discourse has been highly entertaining and most stimulating. I haven't had this much fun on this website in many, many months. Stayed tuned to: "As the polygraph scribbles". A great name for a soap opera, don't you think. We have antagonists, protagonists, innocent bystanders. All the greatness of a first class soap. Intrigue and counter intrigue. Warms my heart to know that great drama is alive and well. And its all free !!! Best Regards ....

	Theory into Reality !!
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tbld New User Offline "Homo praesumitur bonus donec probetur malus" Posts: 23 Joined: Sep 26^th, 2007	Re: AP Countermeasure Trainer Reply #21 - Oct 1^st, 2007 at 6:51am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Polys dont work they are shall we say voodoo machines just like the CVSA that... i know polygrpahers love so much and after all it is better and more accurate couhbullshitcough. We all know that the pg machine is just a tool the poly examiner is the real machine.. to the uneducated individual who doesnt kow a zig from a zag sure a pg can say oh my ''scientific machine'' just made a squiggly line you must be lying IS THERE SOMETHING ELSE YOUD LIKE TO ADD? Then the porr sap says oh yes mr. truth man ..blah blah blah.. Its an interview and interrogation plain and simple I could get the same reaction out of a suspect if I were to play the old radio trick or copier trick on them. You know I hear Copperfield needs an opening act....


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Ludovico Senior User Offline I was cured all right. Posts: 99 Joined: Sep 29^th, 2007	Re: AP Countermeasure Trainer Reply #22 - Oct 1^st, 2007 at 12:54pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	It has been fun. Nice to beat you too.
	« Last Edit: Oct 1^st, 2007 at 1:24pm by Ludovico »
	Welly, welly, welly, welly, welly, welly, well. To what do I owe the extreme pleasure of this surprising visit?
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Mysterymeat User Offline Posts: 42 Joined: Sep 26^th, 2007	Re: AP Countermeasure Trainer Reply #23 - Oct 2^nd, 2007 at 3:03am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	EOS, You sound more like a bad guy in a bad re-make of a Batman flick about to unleash a new strain of Syphaletic-gonnacocca-pooperini on the fine citizens of Gotham City. Now take off your cape and get back in bed. MM


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1904 Ex Member	Re: AP Countermeasure Trainer Reply #24 - Oct 2^nd, 2007 at 8:43am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Mysterymeat wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2007 at 3:03am: EOS, You sound more like a bad guy in a bad re-make of a Batman flick about to unleash a new strain of Syphaletic-gonnacocca-pooperini on the fine citizens of Gotham City. Now take off your cape and get back in bed. MM And this dear readers take note, is a typical example of the mind of an APA P/G Examiner. Would you want this moron to test you ????? And would you trust his 'result'. ??? I would rather put my fate in the hands of Oscar the Talking Horse.


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Paradiddle Very Senior User Offline Posts: 158 Joined: Sep 24^th, 2007	Re: AP Countermeasure Trainer Reply #25 - Oct 2^nd, 2007 at 5:25pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Jeez '04, I thought it was kind of funny. Eos, have you read Mr. Sullivan's book, and if so, what say you 'bout the kinda things revealed from so many harmless applicants who held geat secrets at the cost of imperiling our country's well-being? Were they just gullible and without your super-de-duperdy Atari 64 CQ slide rule? do dish.

	Cheats and the Cheating Cheaters who try to Cheat us.
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Wonder_Woman Senior User Offline The magic lasso of truth Posts: 69 Joined: Sep 24^th, 2007	Re: AP Countermeasure Trainer Reply #26 - Oct 2^nd, 2007 at 8:53pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	1904 Oscar was a grouch - I think you know him.


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EosJupiter Especially Senior User Offline But of Course ... Posts: 483 Location: Always Out There ...... Joined: Feb 28^th, 2005	Re: AP Countermeasure Trainer Reply #27 - Oct 3^rd, 2007 at 6:48am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Paradiddle wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2007 at 5:25pm: Eos, have you read Mr. Sullivan's book, and if so, what say you 'bout the kinda things revealed from so many harmless applicants who held geat secrets at the cost of imperiling our country's well-being? Were they just gullible and without your super-de-duperdy Atari 64 CQ slide rule? do dish. ParaDiddle, There are always two sides to every story. Sullivan now is suing the CIA. So much for honoring one of your own. If I were you, I wouldn't turn my back on your new best friends and allies. Regards .....

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Paradiddle Very Senior User Offline Posts: 158 Joined: Sep 24^th, 2007	Re: AP Countermeasure Trainer Reply #28 - Oct 3^rd, 2007 at 1:13pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	I love your spooky innuendos Eos. Here is one. The IRS is coming for you.

	Cheats and the Cheating Cheaters who try to Cheat us.
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rice80 User Offline Posts: 34 Joined: Oct 3^rd, 2007	Re: AP Countermeasure Trainer Reply #29 - Oct 3^rd, 2007 at 10:35pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	sounds like a bunch of kids on here arguing about who has the bigger toy.


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