catwoman7 wrote on Aug 30^th, 2007 at 5:51pm:


Yes,

I understand the PEOA is pretty much a scam, run by a guy who does not possess the professional or academic credentials to get into the American Polygraph Association.  

I further understand the state polygraph association where the owner of the PEOA website resides pretty much ran him out of town on a rail.

I don't know any of this first hand however.  This is all second and third hand information.  However, if the information I was given is correct (I have it from good sources), then I would avoid professional contact with this outfit at all costs.

I hope it helps...

Nonombre

catwoman7 wrote on Aug 30^th, 2007 at 10:54pm:


I am happy to have been of assistance.

As an additional note, even though there is alot of American Polygraph Association (APA) bashing on this website, the APA at least HAS a detailed code of ethics and there is an ethics committe that actively investigates complaints of unethical behavior.  The outcome of its investigations does not always meet the expectations of the proprietors of this website (no surprise on an "anti-polygraph" website), but such is the course of all things.  Therefore, my advice to you is to insist that any polygraph examiner engaged in business that affects your life be an APA member, be licensed in the state he/she practices, and hold any and all certifications required by the type of testing involved in your particular case.

Good luck to you.

Nonombre  

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Nonombre,

This is not personally directed at you. But the APA pointing the unethical finger at PEOA, is like a call girl having an argument with a street hooker. One "HO" is better than the other, using ethics which are not enforced or followed. This reminds me of a  religious argument too, that my god is better than your god, because we dance better. The lunacy and entertainment value is huge !!!  And your correct from the perspective that I have no respect or give any credibility too either APA or PEOA. Delinquent organizations supporting and defending a public con that is the polygraph, at $300 a pop. Sounds like a hooker price to me. 

Regards ....

Lethe wrote on Aug 31^st, 2007 at 11:33pm:

I'm sure there hasn't been any unethical behavior among the polygraph examiners in the APA for the past five years.

nonombre wrote on Aug 31^st, 2007 at 12:00am:


C'mon, nonombre.  Why don't you tell us what sorts of punishments this ethics committee has handed out to errant polygraphists?  Telling us how the APA deals with unruly members won't destroy your life's work, like telling us the control questions obviously would.  Telling us about a bad polygrapher who got what he deserved at the hands of his more upright colleagues can only make a fair-minded person raise his or her opinion of the APA, and I don't think it would lower the opinion of a not fair-minded person.

Hmm.  Actually, nonombre never said anyone is ever punished by the APA, just that the organization "investigates" complaints.  Can you at least tell us whether they actually punish people who have violated ethics rules?

So, are you just taking time to research your answer so you can respond comprehensively?  Or are you going into another period of hiding now that you've been called out on another question that you embarassingly can't answer?

Nonombre:

You are quite correct.  Professional associations most frequently rule for their members when ethics violations arise.  Why would that not be the case?  Would a panel of physicians make a decision that could increase malpractice insurance rates?  Do not party members vote for their own party? I do not understand your point.  

Now, when the actions of independent organizations such as state licensing agencies and departments of professional regulation are considered, what is the real pattern?  What is the consensus when allegations of wrongdoing are investigated by organizations that do not have a large financial interest?

Please be reasonable when you attempt to make a point Sir.

Sadly, in the present state of our world, polygraph testing is unlikely to end until it is replaced by a substantially more accurate technique.  Might I suggest you learn to operate a Ouija Board Sir?

Hope you had a great holiday weekend Sir.

Hey, welcome back, nonombre.   

You have indicated the following:

(1) You don't know anything about any punishments that the APA may have handed out for unethical behavior; but
(2) You think they are doing a good job.

If you didn't agree with statement (2), would you have talked up the APA by pointing out that it "HAS a detailed code of ethics and there is an ethics committe that actively investigates complaints of unethical behavior"?  What is the point of investigating complaints if nothing ever follows from such an investigation?  A code of ethics will do little to prevent unethical behavior unless said code carries some teeth.

So, is the APA ethics investigation committee doing a good job?  Well... maybe.  But if you don't know what they've done, you have no reason to think they're doing a good job.  Thus, nonombre, your (apparent) belief that they're doing a good job has, by your own admission, no rational basis.  Wow.  Who'd have thought?

And, yeah, I'll contact the APA.  We'll see what they have to say about this.