I am applying to a local law enforcement agency and i wanted to know if the control test is still being used for law enforcement and if the countermeasures in the lie behind the lie detector still work?

Do the countermeasures in TLBTLD STILL work??? They NEVER worked buddy. This site is hilarious. I am an examiner----a less than perfect polygrapher with a less than perfect instrument. The gentlemen on this site will tell you that the countermeasures work, but when you are attempting to fire off your routine, the "pens" do a very funny thing. If you want to beat a polygraph, than you should purchase an instrument and practice for about 2 months non-stop. This technique can be very effective. You can't learn to be a millionaire off of a website, and you sure can't beat a polygraph without sensory deprivation and repetitive bio-feedback coupled with auto-hypnotic suggestion. I give 3 tests a day, 6 days a week. The countermeasures in THE FIELD are sad. Perhaps the "success" stories are meant to motivate you to buy an official antipolygraph.com t-shirt.

palerider wrote on May 16^th, 2007 at 4:56am:

By definition, you would not know of any person who successfully used countermeasures during any polygraph you have given.  You would only know of the people who unsuccessfully attempted countermeasures.

Do you honestly believe that however many people you believe you have caught using countermeasures are the only people to have ever used countermeasures?

Organic  =    BS

Artificial =    BS

Are you telling us that you can distinguish between the two BS's? If so, you have one hell of a smeller or taster. Maybe there is a difference in the texture when you rub it between your thumb and fingers.

I have never stated such arrogance---nor have I ever heard or read an examiner say as much. In the field, I see crude "Georgie" countermeasures approximately 1x bi-weekly. I believe I've read your post that you are truthful and employ countermeasures as a sort of assumed "insurance" against a false positive. I won't address such practice on my post now, but I'd rather address the liars who are trying to "beat" the test. With all due respect Serge, when my 3 year old smells of poopie, and denies such, I hardly need an admission from him. I have seen an occasional chart with great artificial tracings, but inconsistant in those artifacts. The test will usually be labeled as "inconconclusive w/suspected crude countermeasures." Such an incon. call is no different than if a person engaged in a sneezing fit during the test---not what you would consider sophisticated stuff, and maybe even accidental. Within the false logic of this site lies the premise that to create arousal patterns on certain questions but not others is like instructing someone to alter their handwriting every other word. It just reeks of fishiness [I know, a crude discription]. Remember, I have owned and toyed with several polygraph instruments on myself----not just having been tested on occasion. I have experimented with polygraph instruments on myself and colleagues in all manners of countermeasure experimentation. When some nitwit tries to explain to me how intrepid they are with CM's, you have to excuse my cynisism---------if you are completely honest with me here, ya gotta admitt that you suspect much fiction in the tales of success on this site. Of course I'm talking about people who claim to have gotten a false negative on their test as a result of TLBTLD crude countermeasures. The real way to beat a poly test is far more sophisticated, time consuming, expensive, and physiologically involved than mere crude tongue biting and cognitive distortions. This site is an insult to both sophisticated countermeasures, and also to tongues.

To Palerider: You're a dreamer buddy. I'm also an APA certified examiner.
I can beat the test. So can you and you know exactly how it can be beaten.
If you dont - return to poly school and get a refund.