I used countermeasures for a federal polygraph.  I did pass and was not accused of using countermeasures. I used the "blocking" breathing method along with mental arithmetic. Would I have passed without using them? Not sure but I had failed a job screening poly for a different prospective employer previously (not using countermeasures). 

You do have to make sure you use them on the appropriate questions and not on the relevant questions. Also, carefully read the section on how a truthful subject should act. I formed a good honest raport with the examiner when I passed using countermeasures.

polycrap,

I used polygraph countermeasures and was not suspected at all by the polygraph examiner during the exam. The examiner showed me the charts afterwards, and told me he did not note any problems with any of the questions, and he ran three sets of charts on me consisting of approximately 10 to 12 questions per chart.

Bottom line, the technique as described and explained in "TLBTLD" works fine if followed properly.

There is no guarantee that the techniques will result in a successful polygraph exam... however, Telling the truth is no guarantee of passing either. 

Knowledge is power. Educate yourself on how polygraph testing works, and then you can make an informed decision on what you should or should not do. My advice to you would be to simply tell the truth. Although, I also must advise you that telling the truth may result in a false-positive result, thus failing the polygraph exam you hope to pass.

Good luck with whatever decision you make.

triple x

polycrap32123 wrote on May 24^th, 2007 at 1:15am:



One wonders why no repsonse to your innocent question.
Perhaps UT has to firstly learn a few..........................
There are some 20 odd CM's that you can use to skew the p/g
examination.

You will be told by hte Examiner to 'breathe normally' - how odd?
So, without making a theatrical production about it - regulate your
breathing to your desired 'norm'
He will review the questions with you. Usually - he is supposed to review
the CQ's last - you will recognise them as being unrelated to the present
and focussing on previous in life honesty issues.
when you answer to the CQ's, your next 3 breaths after answering NO,
should be shorter and shallower than your norm.....................
At the same time visualise in your mind a knife flying through the air
towards your eye.

When you recognise the RQ's - after you answer NO, make your next 3
breaths longer and deeper than your norm. At the same time, visualise
in your mind, a calm blue ocean, viewed form a hilltop.

worst case scenario - Incon.

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Hi George,

I have been a p/g examiner since the early 90's. I have administered thousands of p/g examinations.
I have tried every conceivable CM on my colleagues and vice versa - so that we knew what to look
out for. Some tracings are easier to identify (the CM ) than others. The best strategy is to produce
normal (but false ) tracings so as to produce a chart that the examiner is satisfied with as being a
truthful chart.

It is also within my personal knowledge that many examiners have problems in scoring pneumos.
As you know there is STILL the debate whether small = big vs big = small.
However, most examiners correctly identify dimished pneumos (small) as a bigger response and 
bigger (than norm ) pneumos as relief (truthful) breathing.

With a little practice anyone can master the art of pneumo manipulation.
A bit of mental conditioning (pitbull vs calm ocean ) will make a slight, appropriate difference
to the appropriate cardio response.

Your suggestion of tongue biting is a bit weak. All examiners know that the GSC response
is very responsive, to the point of being unreliable. I will catch you biting your tongue 9/10 times.

I know my subject George. 

I'll give you even better CM's than those we have mentioned.
Go to a doctor that does not know you. Pay cash and provide false details for his records.
Tell him you started getting sever migraine at night and think that you might actually
have fainted a few times (in bed) - The doctor will assume that you are suffering from
either severe stress headache or maybe even low level epilepsy. (associated with cluster
headaches - which onset presents at night time)

The medication so prescribed (there are several) maintains homeostasis in the subject with
the result that responses are so diminished that the subject will pass, no  matter what questions
are put to him/her.

When the examiner asks what meds subject may currently be taking, subject advises
that he/she WAS taking headache meds but stopped a few days back and cant remem
the name of the tab. If pushed -  something he/she got from a close family member.

Next best CM is adrenal depletion - achieved by sleep deprivation and diminished food 
intake. On the day before the exam - have a very light lunch. skip dinner.
Sleep 1/3 of your normal quota. No meals until after your test. Do the mental visualisation.
you will pass.

NB - IF YOU ARE A DIABETES SUFFERER DISREGARD THIS ADVICE. JUST DO THE CONTROLLED
BREATHING AND MENTAL VISUALISATIONS.

I know you have your viewpoint George - via TLBTLD - but my experiences are real life.

Hi George,

Your reply ended with a strange assumption. Nowhere was I claiming validity
for polygraphy. I was claiming it's invalidity.

As I did say - my experiences with the practice of CM's is related to in-house
experience - because I did not believe the BS that the APA et al puts out.

Pneumos: There has to be a pneumogram. No examiner will administer a test
without pneumos attached. now interestingly- you quote APA related research
data iro pneumograms. George - it is all BS. Pneumos are a bitch. In many
association meetings and at 'ongoing education workshops' it has come to my
attention that most examiners are confused by pneumograms. (note: I say that
p/g is BS )

I must be quite a bit older than you, because I remember the days when GSR was
still referred to as GSC (Conductance) - old habits die hard. The latter day p/g prophets
now refer to Control Q's as Comparison Q's but -- old habits - I still say 'Control' 
(bite me )

Meds etc. I did say got to a doctor - so that any possible contra-indications are considered
when a prescription is written for the subject. Better to say that you have taken something
in case a drug question is included - then one does not have to lie. Prescribed meds are not
what examiners have in mind when they test for drugs -- come on George. No cheap shots.

In any decent polygraph school (possibly not Marston Academy) the Instructor will teach candidate
examiners about the effects of adrenal depletion. Like most useful and effective CM's - you wont
find much literature about the subject - it is a well kept secret. In our firm we tried the Adrenal
Depletion technique. It works. The object is not to impress the examiner on how preppy, bright
eyed and bushy tailed you are - but to pass the test. 

I invite any openminded and unbiased p/g examiners out there to pass comment iro George
and 1904's viewpoints. 

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George,
You're good at this. Some 4000 debates later - I would not have expected any less.
Somebody pissed you off big time. You've obviously devoted a chunk of your life to
reading research on polygraph, but I gather that you've never actually been an examiner.
I'm not saying this in a derogatory manner. I just admire your dedication to the subject as
a non-examiner.

If more examiners knew their subject as well as you did, there would be fewer examiners.
And that would not be a bad thing. P/G should be used as an investigation aid only. No hard
and fast decisions should be made on the result of a p/g test.

I have been waiting for somebody on this site to ask me why I'm a hypocrite, because I believe that
p/g is not science and can be beaten easily by anyone with half a brain. So then why do I
continue to train examiners? 

PS: I tell them " This is not science. It is an investigative aid, to be used only when a physical investigation has stalled. The p/g has no Aritificial Intelligence. It is a dumb instrument. 
The quality of the output relies on the quality of the input. ie- Examiner Skill. 
Remember: shit in = shit out"

Have you ever met the p/g fraternity en masse? Viewing a crowd of them at an association meeting
is like watching lemmings preparing to leap into the unknown. I have been seriously unimpressed.
The association abounds with egomaniacs and bullshi**ers. They remind me of rodeo riders.
Always competing with each others war stories. Contributing massively to Global Warming.

What is your 9-5 George ?

Aloha
1904

1904,

I am indeed impressed that your willing to share your knowlege. And in all honesty have enjoyed the postings. I am sure some of our local polygraphers who are not so happy your posting. But one has to ask why ? This answer carries alot of weight in regards to your stock on this board. As with all things here, it is taken with a grain of salt and some analysis. I look forward to your response !! 

Regards ...