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John Grogan Polygraph = P.T. Barnum of the decade
Apr 5th, 2007 at 6:17am
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     My friend, who is a civil service worker, had this guy Grogan do a test on his girlfriend whom he suspected might have been cheating.  Grogan passed her, but she later admitted to doing it.  What a hack Grogan must be, he is not even a graduate of an APA type school, and rather started the Polygraph Examiners of America organization himself, since he could not get into any real organization.  My friend told me he reported him to a State regulatory body which investigated and determined this guy had convictions for fraud and prior violence, and that he was not a real polygraph examiner.  He was, at one point a P.I., but had that license pulled, and and appeared to just reinvent himself as a polygraph professional since his State had no licensing laws.  Do your research folks as there are those out there who are just chameleons like Grogan vs. those with real training and a resume to prove it.  At least if you are going to have a test done, get it done by someone who is the real deal.   

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Re: John Grogan Polygraph = P.T. Barnum of the dec
Reply #1 - Apr 5th, 2007 at 10:51pm
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Great analogy.  Since polygraphy can't detect lies, why spend the money to get a "certified" examiner.  I say if you are going to buy snake oil, buy the cheapest snake oil available Wink

Says P. T.:
"A fool and his money are soon parted." and
"You can fool some of the people all of the time; you can fool all of the people some of the time, but you can never fool all of the people all of the time."
  
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Re: John Grogan Polygraph = P.T. Barnum of the dec
Reply #2 - Apr 6th, 2007 at 6:18am
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OneTruthTeller wrote on Apr 5th, 2007 at 6:17am:
At least if you are going to have a test done, get it done by someone who is the real deal.


Absolutely.  If you are going to have your fortune told, go to a reputable tarot card reader, not one of those phoney ones.

Is there such a thing as a fake charlatan?   
  

Lorsque vous utilisez un argumentum ad hominem, tout le monde sait que vous êtes intellectuellement faillite.
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Re: John Grogan Polygraph = P.T. Barnum of the dec
Reply #3 - Apr 7th, 2007 at 7:47pm
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Interesting to see that John Grogan's "Spotlight Examiner" add and listing at Polygraphplace.com seem to have disappeared since this thread was started.  I was surprised to see his add for so long given that he uses both CVSA and polygraph.  I guess the almighty buck is more important than the disgust for CVSA by the polygraph community.   Roll Eyes
  
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Reply #4 - May 30th, 2007 at 8:09pm
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ecchasta wrote on Apr 5th, 2007 at 10:51pm:
Great analogy.  Since polygraphy can't detect lies, why spend the money to get a "certified" examiner.  I say if you are going to buy snake oil, buy the cheapest snake oil available"


Hahahaha. I like your analogy - much funnier. Wish I had said that first. Damn you.
When I was still testing, I used to tell the 'infidelity' couples to use their money on couples counselling where it would be much better spent. 
I used to preface that with, " If Johnny fails the test, will you actually leave him. Will you erase X years of a relationship based on a non-scientific test...? No you wont, correct? " Then i would tell them to go
for counselling. 

How any examiner can wreck relationships for a wad of cash is mind boggling.

But - it happens.
  
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