palerider wrote on May 17^th, 2007 at 1:13pm:


palerider,

Send your charts and what ever else you want, and attach them as George has said to either his or my ID. I always consider and give due diligence to real data. And being able to read both the 3 and 7 point scoring system helps too. Yes we can read the charts. Its not rocket surgery to do this. Again you are free to express your viewpoints, unlike your friends website over at the pro polygraph site. But you really need to work on your verbage and base your statements from a position of knowlege. These Ad-Hom attacks really make you look bad. And again its the examiner that has to prove they can catch the countermeasures.  And lets be honest here, a good chess player never reveals winning moves or strategies. 

Regards ...

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Palerider,

Be careful here, man.  These guys would LOVE to get their hands on a set of charts that demonstrate how we separate out CM's from legitimate responses.  George Maschke has been after that data for a long time to give him an opportunity to adjust his methods of attack...

Don't let these guys goad you.  The outcome isn't worth it...

Regards,

Nonombre
    

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We already know this, but thanks for confirming in writing that you are concerned about George's "methods of attack."   

I'm sure that's not what you really meant to communicate... 
You say the outcome isn't worth it...  I'm curious, what would be the worst case senario?

palerider wrote on May 20^th, 2007 at 2:18pm:

I think it is more ironic that you are decrying the lack of proof offered to show a false negative, when the only "proof" offered to show the three false positives I received was the incorrect opinion of the polygraph examiner.

Perhaps it is simply the limitation of the polygraph itself that, at the conclusion of a test, the only proof that a person passed or failed is the claims made by the examiner and the examinee.

I think that, given such a limitation, the utility of the polygraph is only reasonably used in an attempt to elicit a damaging admission.  If at the end of the test there has been no damaging admission the utility of the polygraph has been fully expended.

I use an Intoxilyzer quite often at work in order to measure the blood alcohol content of people I arrest for DUI.  If there was a web site which claimed wearing a blue shirt, or singing a song in your head, or biting the side of your tongue while blowing into the machine would permit you to pass even if you had just downed a liter of vodka I would probably get a laugh out of it, but I certainly wouldn't be upset by it.  I cannot imagine addressing hideously rude ad hominem attacks at the owner of the web site because he makes available information that, in my opinion, doesn't work.  The Intoxilyzer is a scientifically valid method of determining a person's blood alcohol content so fanciful theories of how to "beat" the test wouldn't bother me at all.

The anger directed at George and the comments made, sometimes irresponsibly referencing pedophiles and how George is allegedly "helping" them, indicate to me that the information George has collected and made available on this site is accurate and extremely damaging to the illusion of polygraph testing.

Just to remind everyone, George did not invent the information contained in TLBTLD, he merely amassed it through research.  That means the information George makes available on this site was always freely available to anyone who wanted to take the time to find it.

Since the polygraph examiners who post on this site routinely write that countermeasures don't work, and the polygraph is, in fact, a highly accurate instrument for the detection of deception regardless of what the "anti" literature says, why do they spend so much time, energy, and bile vilifying a person who merely collected freely available information and published it in an e-book?

palerider wrote on May 20^th, 2007 at 2:18pm:


It's funny that you need to imagine me as some bitter pizza deliveryman unable to find work in his chosen field because I couldn't pass a polygraph. Do you often engage in revenge fantasies?

Once again, I have never taken a polygraph nor have I been harmed by the polygraph. I am a criminal justice researcher dismayed by the use of this pseudoscience in law enforcement...

Why do you engage in ad hominem and misdirection? Your continued reliance on logical fallacies is a clear indication of your utter desperation to disparage this site and its information because it is a direct threat to your livelihood. You cannot and you have not cited any research which undermines any of the countermeasure information contained in the peer-reviewed literature summarized by AntiPolygraph.org...

I'm afraid I've once again mistakenly transmitted the wrong tone of my posts. When I write you here, I suppose I feel a little like a graffiti artist, spray painting insults on the side of a sleazy pawn shop. I'm not scared of any of you, I rather think of you all like special needs clients----clients that talk of performing psychokinesesis------just like James Bond. Of course, if James Bond caused inconclusive polygraph tests------wow, what a feat.

I was out of town and couldn't log on to the site properly---different lap top, and I noticed that the rules of the message board are very implicitly against insulting posters and profanity---all things I've engaged in here as I haven't taken the site seriously enough. When I post, I do not create a scientific treatise or thesis on polygraph---and consequently, I don't bother with spell check---or even attempt at APA writing format bla blah blah. It's a message board, not a rigid uptight forum----or so I though. I will admitt that I loved the torture article by George----it was perfectly executed, and I agree with his views 100% regarding the subject. I feel bad for taking some of the cheap shots here, and I suppose you all deserve more respect  despite my thorough disagreement with your opinions. I've never been as angry as my tone, and I have never been scared. Don't flatter yourselves. Again, I apologize to all of the chubby, sexless, James Bond fans here.lol

My god! To all anti-folk, you have a psychic on this board. When I read the above post, I was waking up AND smelling the coffee. 

I think I'll go to the office and run some polygraph tests.