Floyd Fay.  There is your answer.  The point is, there is a huge amount of weight put on these things throughout an investigation.  I pray that you are never wrongfully accused and subjected to a polygraph that says you are lying.  But if you are, then maybe you would understand.  You dont want to hear about ruined lives?!?!?  How rediculous is that?!?!?!?  Some people will just never get it!!!  So, tell me what corrupt law enforcement agency do you work for uiop?  The point is this instrument is continually used and the public at large is continually deceived and lied to by the very people that are suppose to protect them.  In my opinion, these people are nothing more than a bunch of save the world vigalanties

uiop wrote on Mar 8^th, 2007 at 2:18am:


uiop,

Need somemore polygraph failures,  I have been waiting for just such an occasion. I do not state that you are corrupt, just the machine and process you represent as a polygrapher. Personal attacks are not my style.

For your consumption: 

Sonia Jacobs & Jesse Tafero  Florida 1978 
    Polygraph evidence contradicts real evidence, except
    district attorney disregards and uses the polygraph 
    evidence. Gets capital murder conviction, Sonia is 
    later exonerated, Jesse is executed, with serious 
    issues still pending on the validity of the data. Jesse 
    was later proven / believed to also be innocent.

Gary Gauger    Illinois 1993 
    Told he failed polygraph, after lengthy interrogation 
    forced to give false confession. Exonerated by real 
    evidence. 

Charles Goldstein   California 1980
    Inconclusive polygraph, lengthy interrogation, forced 
    to give false confession after being told that an
    inconclusive was as good as a failure. Exonerated on 
    real evidence. 

Clarence Chance, Benny Powell  California 1975
    Jailhouse informant was key witness in this
    proceeding, Informant told he passed, but really
    failed the polygraph on his information, 
    but witness information still presented to
    the court. Convictions were obtained.
   The polygraph failure was later shown to
   be  suppressed  by the state. Impeaching 
   all testimony by  this witness. Both exonerated.

Peter Reilly  Conneticut  1988
    Told he failed polygraph, 8 hrs of interrogation, forced
    confession. Later exonerated on real evidence.

You wanted proof....   And there are many more examples if you need it.  Enjoy the crow !!   


Regards ..... 
      

I'm sorry, perhaps you didn't read my post.  The remark regarding polygraph sending innocents to jail was made by gr8dad.  I asked for him to provide one name where polygraph results were the soul evidence used to convict someone.  Thanks for the list of cases where a trial jury considered polygraph as evidence but not souly the results of such.  So much for the crow.  I guess the point is this:  There is not a single case where the results of a polygraph have been the SOUL bit of "Evidence" (note the quotes, perhaps I'm skeptical of both polygraph as evidence and those who deride it on this board to hide their actual guilt).

I'm a skeptic.  Skeptical of UFO's, ghosts, psychics, polygraphs, polititians and persons on this site.  But I'm downright terrified of jury trials, where innocents (like those mentioned) are convicted and the guilty, like O.J are set free.

Eos,  a sincere thanks for the correction of soul vs sole.  An additional thanks for quickly figuring out my point as to polygraph "Evidence" not being the single item used by attorneys trying to convict.  However, it was not a "red herring".  My question was specifically directed towards gr8dad who stipulated persons had been sentenced to jail based on polygraph results, the inference being that nothing else but a polygraph examiner and his words were used as "Evidence".

Now that that has been cleared up, I'm back to other things.  I wish you and all other well meaning critics of polygraph good fortune.

uiop wrote on Mar 8^th, 2007 at 2:18am:


Obviously, a spelling test was not one of the hiring criteria in your case.

Newsflash: Since when was a polygraph examiner accorded the staus of 'Professional'
-- and I mean in the real world sense. Your neighbours in the rusty trailer dont count.

Hi EoJ,

It's a tough job (irritating p/g examiners), but somebody's gotta do it.
I miss Palerider, he seems to have taken a sabbatical.
Or maybe attending a reunion at the College of Lingua Franca, where he
majored in 'Cliche's & Impressive Words' but diddent doo to welle in
'Spellyng and Grammah'

[quote author=ecchasta link=1169065810/15#27 date=1182086265


A polygraph exam can, however, be the principal evidence (as in the tragic cases cited above) [/quote]


Huh? I dont think that can happen in the 1st World.
I do think that some people post hard luck p/g stories
merely to 'stir the pot a bit'.

Did you know that the GSR ( ) component of the p/g can be manipulated by
mental CM's.....?

There was/is a computer game named MIND DRIVE. It comprised different
MIND games like MIND SKI , WORM etc.

works like this: You attach a fingerplate which is plugged into pc and the selected game starts. EG - SKI; A skier proceeds slowly down a hill; you
(the player) have to try and avoid obstacles in your path by using mind power.

The WORM game  - on same principle - a fuzzy worm in a maze. After several fun weeks of playing mind drive, most of the family could get the worm through
the maze and avoid all the skiing obstacles.

I'm sure you can still get the game - if you can - play it. It's amazing
what you can do with your mind.

So, if your mind power can conquer MIND DRIVE games, it should be able to 
will the GSR trace up and down at selected intervals.

Once you have mastered the technique, challenge the VD Princess to test
you and detect your CM's. (VD = verbal diarrhoea = palerider )