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questions Ex Member	Meth as countermesure Nov 30^th, 2006 at 9:33pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	I have a poly coming up. I am going to try a small amount of meth ingested orally about 20 min before the poly. I know there has not been much discussion or scientific study done on the effects on street drugs and their value as a countermeasure during a poly. Meth has a minimal effect on the cardiovascular and respitory systems, but it has a rather strong effect on the nervous system. Taken in the appropriate method with a calculated dose, I feel it could have an effect on the use of countermeasures. I have read the lie behind the lie detector, and I plan on adding meth to the equation. I used to shoot up meth years ago. Now I occasionally smoke or eat it (maybe 3 times a year), when I use it, I am able to raise and lower my heart rate at the drop of a hat with such thoughts as shooting up, which I will never do again. But I think that if I was mildly high and triggered this thought during a control question, it would score high. I realize that if I was too high, the examiner would notice. There is also the danger of becoming paranoid. But with a very controlled dose, it would bring about an over all sense of well being and confidence. I really feel like it will work. That alone may cause a placebo effect. Am I totally out in left field here or what?


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day2day New User Offline Posts: 24 Joined: Mar 3^rd, 2006	Re: Meth as countermesure Reply #1 - Nov 30^th, 2006 at 9:55pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Are you kidding? That is a stupid plan.


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questions Ex Member	Re: Meth as countermesure Reply #2 - Nov 30^th, 2006 at 10:09pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Elaborate ???


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day2day New User Offline Posts: 24 Joined: Mar 3^rd, 2006	Re: Meth as countermesure Reply #3 - Dec 1^st, 2006 at 12:06am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	You posted in the post-conviction section. So that would lead me to believe you have a conviction for something and are likely on parole or probation. As such it is likely that drug-screening is a part of the stipulations. Add to that the fact that meth is an insidious, life-destroying substance (and also illegal). If you are willing to use meth, your biggest concern in life at the moment should not be a polygraph test, but rather your use of meth.


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Sergeant1107 God Member Offline Posts: 730 Location: Connecticut, USA Joined: May 21^st, 2005 Gender:	Re: Meth as countermesure Reply #4 - Dec 1^st, 2006 at 12:09am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	I agree, that is a stupid plan. Here's one of the things I say to the local youths when I catch them with ecstasy, or crack, or meth: Who made this and what did they put in it? If you don't know the person who made it and trust them with your life, you are a moron as well as a doper. Who cooked the meth you are planning to use? Did he mix in some rat poison because it gave the mix the proper color?

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digithead Very Senior User Offline Posts: 150 Joined: Apr 11^th, 2006	Re: Meth as countermesure Reply #5 - Dec 1^st, 2006 at 12:42am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Questions wrote on Nov 30^th, 2006 at 9:33pm: Meth has a minimal effect on the cardiovascular and respitory systems, but it has a rather strong effect on the nervous system. Taken in the appropriate method with a calculated dose, I feel it could have an effect on the use of countermeasures. In addition to being a completely stupid idea regardless of context, you are also completely wrong about meth's affect on the cardiovascular and respiratory system. Meth provokes a fight-or-flight response in the body, including increased heart rate/blood pressure and eased breathing. You will be affecting all channels of the polygraph and probably in the wrong direction. Drugs that work as countermeasures to the polygraph decrease anxiety and stress (e.g. beta blockers) whereas meth increases anxiety and stress... In addition, most LEOs are trained to identify meth intoxication as there as some pretty tell-tale signs... How about actually confronting the issues you have while on supervision? That might actually help you in the long run rather than trying half-baked ideas...


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julie gibson Guest	Re: Meth as countermesure Reply #6 - Mar 28^th, 2017 at 4:31pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	If someone has been a regular user of meth, Vicodin, and Percocet take a polygraph test? If no and how long after quitting can one take one.?


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George W. Maschke Global Moderator Offline Make-believe science yields make-believe security. Posts: 6211 Joined: Sep 29^th, 2000	Re: Meth as countermesure Reply #7 - Mar 28^th, 2017 at 7:39pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Quote: If someone has been a regular user of meth, Vicodin, and Percocet take a polygraph test? If no and how long after quitting can one take one.? Polygraph operators will happily polygraph pretty much anyone with an arm and a pulse. Having been a regular user of any particular medication is no obstacle. Note that polygraphy is pseudoscience to begin with. It has no value as a diagnostic test. If you (or someone you know) are being asked to voluntarily submit to a polygraph "test," you would be wise to refuse.

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xenonman God Member Banned Offline May sarin, ricin, and variola major befall Langley Posts: 680 Location: WI USA Joined: Dec 14^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Meth as countermesure Reply #8 - Mar 29^th, 2017 at 4:16am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Sergeant1107 wrote on Dec 1^st, 2006 at 12:09am: Who made this and what did they put in it? If you don't know the person who made it and trust them with your life, you are a moron as well as a doper. Who cooked the meth you are planning to use? Did he mix in some rat poison because it gave the mix the proper color? I even once saw an example on a substance abuse program series on public TV which depicted a case where a dirty toilet bowl had been used in part of the meth "brewing" process!

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