Normal Topic Need Advice/Information (Read 5398 times)
Paste Member Name in Quick Reply Box ITjobseeker
New User
*
Offline



Posts: 1
Joined: Oct 11th, 2006
Need Advice/Information
Oct 12th, 2006 at 9:07pm
Mark & QuoteQuote Print Post  
This is my first time posting on the board and I need some information and advice.  I am an IT professional recently offered employment with a govt contractor working on a Special Access Program contract with one of the intel agencies  (they won’t tell me the specifics until I am cleared but I am guessing either CIA or NSA).  My employment offer is contingent on “….successful completion of security clearance processing including a background investigation and full scope lifestyle polygraph”  I have never had a polygraph before although I held a security clearance some years ago while serving in the Air Force.  During my employment screening, I answered a series of written questions including “have you used illegal drugs within the past 7 years?” or “have you ever used illegal drugs while holding a security clearance or serving as a law enforcement officer?”.  I truthfully answered  both questions – “NO”.

I did, however, use drugs (marijuana) in high school – long before the 7 year limit.  Like many teenagers growing up in California, I “experimented”, although in my case the experiment lasted a few years –  right up until I graduated high school and enlisted in the Air Force.     My recruiter cautioned me never to use drugs in the military because I would most certainly get caught due to the aggressive urinalysis testing program – I took his advice and I have lived a clean life ever since without even a parking ticket on my record.   This same straight arrow recruiter told me to lie about my drug use on my enlistment paperwork – I took his advice here also.  I realize that this was “wrong” but…I am sure that I am not the first person with this story.   Now then, here are my questions:

Question 1 – Will the full-scope lifestyle polygraph dig deeper than the drug use questions which I already answered truthfully.  If not, then I have nothing to worry about.  If so, then….

Question 2 – If I deny ANY drug use EVER and the polygraph indicates deception on this one question, will I still get cleared under the “whole person” concept where the rest of my record is squeaky clean?  In my mind, the worst that can happen is that I won’t get the job but I will at least never have been on record admitting to drug use.  If I admit, then I will probably not get cleared, right??

Question 3 – Will the polygraph examiner conduct the test differently if I admit to researching info on this website??  If so, how?? 

I am looking for an opportunity to put my skills to work serving my country.   Please spare me the morality lectures on whether it is right or wrong to lie…I already know that it is “wrong”.  Just give me the facts about what will actually happen under each scenario – THANKS!!
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Paste Member Name in Quick Reply Box Honesty006
New User
*
Offline



Posts: 2
Joined: Oct 10th, 2006
Re: Need Advice/Information
Reply #1 - Oct 13th, 2006 at 12:09am
Mark & QuoteQuote Print Post  
Don't lie about anything. If you are found to be lying about one thing, what's to keep you from lying about another? A good Background Investigator will doubt your every word. If "decepton" is noted on one question, it is true you may fail the entire exam.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Paste Member Name in Quick Reply Box George W. Maschke
Global Moderator
*****
Offline


Make-believe science yields
make-believe security.

Posts: 6220
Joined: Sep 29th, 2000
Re: Need Advice/Information
Reply #2 - Oct 13th, 2006 at 8:35am
Mark & QuoteQuote Print Post  
ITjobseeker wrote on Oct 12th, 2006 at 9:07pm:
Question 1 – Will the full-scope lifestyle polygraph dig deeper than the drug use questions which I already answered truthfully.  If not, then I have nothing to worry about.  If so, then….


While I am not certain, I suspect that the answer is "yes," and that you may be asked about any drug use during your entire life.

Quote:
Question 2 – If I deny ANY drug use EVER and the polygraph indicates deception on this one question, will I still get cleared under the “whole person” concept where the rest of my record is squeaky clean?  In my mind, the worst that can happen is that I won’t get the job but I will at least never have been on record admitting to drug use.  If I admit, then I will probably not get cleared, right??


No, you will not get cleared if you are deemed to have failed the polygraph. However, while the extent of your marijuana use during highschool would almost certainly disqualify you from FBI employment (it was more than 15 times, right?), it would not necessarily preclude you from holding a top secret clearance with the CIA or NSA. In fact, I think it is highly unlikely that it would.

Quote:
Question 3 – Will the polygraph examiner conduct the test differently if I admit to researching info on this website??  If so, how??


Both the CIA and NSA use the (completely discredited) Relevant/Irrelevant format as their primary technique for employee security screening. That's unlikely to change if you admit to having read about polygraphy on AntiPolygraph.org. But what will change if you admit to having visited this website is that your polygrapher will be more likely to accuse you of using polygraph countermeasures.
  

George W. Maschke
I am generally available in the chat room from 3 AM to 3 PM Eastern time.
Tel/SMS: 1-202-810-2105 (Please use Signal Private Messenger or WhatsApp to text or call.)
E-mail/iMessage/FaceTime: antipolygraph.org@protonmail.com
Wire: @ap_org
Threema: A4PYDD5S
Personal Statement: "Too Hot of a Potato"
Back to top
IP Logged
 
Need Advice/Information

Please type the characters that appear in the image. The characters must be typed in the same order, and they are case-sensitive.
Open Preview Preview

You can resize the textbox by dragging the right or bottom border.
Insert Hyperlink Insert FTP Link Insert Image Insert E-mail Insert Media Insert Table Insert Table Row Insert Table Column Insert Horizontal Rule Insert Teletype Insert Code Insert Quote Edited Superscript Subscript Insert List /me - my name Insert Marquee Insert Timestamp No Parse
Bold Italicized Underline Insert Strikethrough Highlight
                       
Change Text Color
Insert Preformatted Text Left Align Centered Right Align
resize_wb
resize_hb







Max 200000 characters. Remaining characters:
Text size: pt
More Smilies
View All Smilies
Collapse additional features Collapse/Expand additional features Smiley Wink Cheesy Grin Angry Sad Shocked Cool Huh Roll Eyes Tongue Embarrassed Lips Sealed Undecided Kiss Cry
Attachments More Attachments Allowed file types: txt doc docx ics psd pdf bmp jpe jpg jpeg gif png swf zip rar tar gz 7z odt ods mp3 mp4 wav avi mov 3gp html maff pgp gpg
Maximum Attachment size: 500000 KB
Attachment 1:
X