Twoblock wrote on Sep 16^th, 2006 at 8:46pm:

And what of the truthful people, who would have been "branded" truthful, except that their attempts at countermeasures (taught by you and others) have now "branded" them "Purposeful non-cooperation" and have therefore cost them everything?

What do you say to them Mr. Twoblock?

Perhaps you consider them to be "Martyrs" for the Antipolygraph cause?  "Acceptable losses" for the greater good? 

Regards,

Nonombre

nonombre,

what do you say to folks who waited their whole life for their shot at a LE career and get booted by a false positive and havent tried CMs?

what do you say t George, whose career was ruined by a stranger who called him a spy after knowing him for a few hours?

I didnt try CMs for 2 reasons. #1-it didnt seem right, tho I have since changed my mind about that and #2-I didnt think trying it without knowing enough about what a good chart looks like would work.

LieBabyCryBaby wrote on Sep 15^th, 2006 at 8:16pm:


I haven't heard Eos or anyone else say that.  They say, correctly, that coming here and learning what George has put out is a good idea.  I am sure people with quick thinking and good logic have beaten the poly without George's help.

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That fear makes a person the lemming you wish them to be, CryBaby.  It renders them susceptible to your lie that the poly can detect lies.  It cannot; it is a fancy BFB machine.  Only confessions can demonstrate lies through this method.

By the way, when I had read TLBTLD and learned it all, I went into subsequent polys much more relaxed.  I used CM's without regret, and without fail.  And I passed when I might well have not    In fact, I cha cha'ed in and out with the lovely knowledge that I had beaten the machine and a polyboy who thought he was invincible.  I don't think I would have otherwise, but righteousness was upheld when I did.  There you go, one testimonial for George's site and against your position.  I am sure I speak for many others.

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*Waves hand frantically*

Where IS the CM beef?  Where's the beef?  Show the studies, CryBaby.  We asked you first    Answering a question with a question isn't an affirmative answer at all.

No, I have not committed any serious criminal offense, but piddly stuff that someone could use to nitpick me out of my current job.  So, ok, I haven't robbed anyone, but I passed notwithstanding some peccadilloes.  Ones that should not count against a person.  And you're hearing from me.

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I have seen quite a few come here expressing thanks.  I would not expect more than a few of the whole number to do so, though.  Had I only 1 poly to deal with, I would have read the information here, passed, and -maybe- sent George a private note.  I would not have bothered posting... why?  I would have had to create an account, which takes 2 minutes that I would have rather used elsewhere on the WWW.

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Believe as you will, CryBaby.  There's no placebo here; it's the real McCoy.  My world has failed to crash down yet, and I used more than 1 suggestion from TLBTLD.  If someone louses up their CM's, well, risk that or risk a false positive.  I would rather lose having the reins in my hands.  However, I don't go in planning to lose, and I have not.

I have also heard many reasons why you polyboys won't take Dr. Richardson's challenge.  Why not be the man and do it?  Don't make excuses- don't beg off because of lab this, or situation that.  Excuses are like ani.  Everyone has one, and most smell.  If you can detect CM's, and you say you can at better than chance, do it.

You and your pals must hate the doc, he being a defector from the cause.  Taking all that precious, apocryphal knowledge with him and handing it to the enemy like Benedict Arnold.  Blowing the whistle.

While I think of it, please tell us all your opinion of EPPA.  Good or bad?  I know it cost you and your drinking buddies money.  If you agree with it, why shouldn't it be applied across the board (please be specific)?  Also, if you agree with the Act, why was it okay to use the poly in employment screening prior to its passage, or was that a mistake?

If you disagree with it, why?  And why is your APA not trying its damnedest to get the act repealed for the greater good of mankind?  Because, like the tobacco companies, you know that what you peddle is harmful.  Big Tobacco got kicked off the TV in 1970, and to this day they have never challenged it.  Why?  Even though they would win, they know that they would be exposed yet again for the scoundrels they are.

Knowledge is power.  I have the former, and I feel the latter.  You and yours cannot pull the hood over my eyes, CryBaby.  Please digest...

Nonombre,

I don't see much of a difference in the end result between a person answering all the questions on a polygraph honestly and still failing, and a person attempting countermeasures and being accused of "purposeful non-cooperation" and failing because of that.

In fact, I think it would be easier to explain away a "purposeful non-cooperation" label on subsequent job applications than it would be to explain a "deception indicated" result.   

It is not surprising that you and other polygraph examiners advocate the old chestnut:  "just tell the truth and trust the polygraph."  For anyone who follows your advice and fails it is little consolation if their polygrapher thinks, "At least they failed honestly."

Were I to take a polygraph again I would tell the truth and I would use countermeasures.  From past experience simply telling the truth results in a "deception indicated" score 75% of the time.  I could hardly do much worse telling the truth and attempting countermeasures.  At least I would feel as though I wasn’t totally helpless in deciding my fate.

PrivateSnowball wrote on Sep 13^th, 2006 at 11:31pm:


Private Snowball,

While I can understand how the thought of a child molester being allowed to roam free in society while continuing to prey on the weakest of victims sickens you, you are missing the point when it comes to the polygraph. Simply put, it is not reliable. That means child molesters under investigation for crimes they indeed have committed will walk after passing a polygraph. Convicted molesters may pass or fail as part of probation, regardless of whether they've victimized another child. Blame those who are using an unreliable tool and system, not the founders of this site.