I heard this program on NPR and just wanted to share it with everyone. Feel free to add your two cents after listening: 

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5512022

cesium

Thank god you are a Canadian.  I believe the people here in the USA are sensitive to handicapped people because of our hearts not becasue of any politial corectness garbasge.  Maybe you folks up in Canada think that way about disadvantaged people but I can assure you that most of the folks south of you are more compassionate.

Totally distastesful and disgusting.

Bill

Good question.  The fight or flight response is well documented by the medical profession. It is nautres way of the body preparing for self preservaiton, i.e., when is this mode you will not bleeds as much as if you were not in such a state. This is just one way your body prepspares itself for an attack. Other pysiological changes also occur.  When you were a child and told a lie to your parents you were afraid of the repercussions if you got caught. These same pysiological changes occur. If there are no adverse consequnces of you getting caught in a lie there will be no "pyscological set"."  If there is no set than the subject will be difficult to test.

Hope I was clear.

Have a good day.

"If there are no adverse consequnces of you getting caught in a lie there will be no "pyscological set"."

while this is true, my question is really more of--can there be a psychological set for reasons other than lying? Of course the answer is yes, as I have lived this experience, but your thoughts?

retcopper wrote on Jul 10^th, 2006 at 2:39pm:


As an analogy to the poly and the way the interrogator works and assumes results, FC is highly instructive.  It is another fraud, though perhaps not as insidious as the polygraph.  The "examiner" (mom/dad) is deluding only themselves, at no cost to society, and so the myth damages far less...

However, in FC, as in the poly, the examiner seeks to justify his results by arbitrary, unsupported, and outlandish assumptions and techniques- which, as currently constructed, cannot be objectively tested through the scientific method.  The parent or examiner makes an assertion, demonstrates his case ex parte, and then is resistant to anyone attempting to dissect the results or seek an alternative explanation.

The victims in FC, if you wish to call them that, are the poor kids who are gaining nothing and having their lives and time wasted on a fallacy.  That time could be used in physical or proven mental therapy.

Incidentally, for retcopper the pro-polygraph guy and anyone else wondering, I have the utmost sympathy and compassion for autistic children and their families.  I hope they find a treatment tomorrow for this awful affliction.  I -do-, though, state facts and observations about their physical movements, grasp of reality, and state of mind.  This is to drive home a point, and bluntly, not to insult them.  I will not use euphemisms.  "Mentally challenged" or "physically challenged" are not in my vocabulary.  It's retarded and handicapped, and FC is a sham and another sad lie.  It is a falsity, drawing in victims as does polygraphy.

http://www.disabilityhistory.org/images/devel/e_helped.gif
http://www.alaskacoinexchange.com/Stamps%2034/04c%20Employ%20Handicapped.jpg

Check them out.  I include these to try to create an atmosphere, at least on this thread, free of pro-poly doublespeak

The victims in polygraphy, who are true victims, are society (who has to pay for a magician's trick), the agencies who get duped into believing that the poly really works, and the examinees who are falsely accused and/or browbeaten and/or denied job opportunities as a result of the polygraph's shortcomings.  There have even been reports and posts on here of people getting in trouble with their parole officers over erroneous adverse results...

Spoken without apology...  8)

retcopper,

While your scenario in your view is true, the reality of it is that the response can be suppressed with knowlege and training. That is why you train people for combat or the polygraph with as much real life knowlege and support there is available. Until this website showed up, you polygraphers pretty much had a free shooting range as there was only limited knowlege available to the public. But I do not doubt that you would get the desired responses from someone who has no idea about the polygraph.

Regards ....

retcopper wrote on Jul 12^th, 2006 at 5:13pm:


Fortunately, for us, your belief is irrelevant.  CMs do work very effectively.

Are you willing to put your beliefs to the test?

retcopper wrote on Jul 10^th, 2006 at 2:39pm:


Holy cow! What kind of crap is that? I'm Canadian and I believe that we are generally much more respectful than maggots like you who go around making generalizations about everybody and anybody...

Sorry about the tough words but I'm...irked.

I have respect for everybody, including disabled people, and including Americans and people like you...

pfff...as if your nation had anything to do with it.