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scammed New User Offline Posts: 2 Joined: May 25^th, 2006	After Poly Question May 25^th, 2006 at 5:30pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	I took a polygraph about a month ago, I have a question, for anyone, how can they ask such questions like have you been truthful with everything youve told me , and have you left out any information, and this come back as telling the truth, and then say a question during the poly came back as not truthful. wouldnt the overall truth question come back a lie also????? second question is whats is the purpose of adding in a complex math question, and hurrying me for an answer?


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George W. Maschke Global Moderator Offline Make-believe science yields make-believe security. Posts: 6211 Joined: Sep 29^th, 2000	Re: After Poly Question Reply #1 - May 25^th, 2006 at 9:56pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	scammed wrote on May 25^th, 2006 at 5:30pm: I took a polygraph about a month ago, I have a question, for anyone, how can they ask such questions like have you been truthful with everything youve told me , and have you left out any information, and this come back as telling the truth, and then say a question during the poly came back as not truthful. wouldnt the overall truth question come back a lie also????? This is a valid question that many have asked, but I have yet to hear an explanation from any polygrapher. I infer from your post that your polygraph exam was most likely of the Relevant/Irrelevant (R/I) variety. The "overall truth" question used in this technique is not considered relevant. According to Chapter 5 of the Federal Psychophysiological Detection of Deception Examiner Handbook: Quote: C5.3.9. Overall Truth Question. This is an optional question which may be used in an R/I question format. It is similar to the sacrifice relevant question in comparison question formats. It is intended to elicit a physiological response which may be indicative of the examinee's overall response capability. This question may be asked near the beginning and/or at the end of a PDD chart. (See figure C5.F10.) Figure C5.F10. Samples of the Overall Truth Questions Do you intend to answer truthfully all of the questions on this test? Have you truthfully answered all of the questions on this test? You also ask: Quote: second question is whats is the purpose of adding in a complex math question, and hurrying me for an answer? This is called a "stimulus question." The Federal PDD Examiner Handbook explains it thus: Quote: C5.3.10. Stimulus Question. This question is an optional question which may be used in an R/I question format to determine the examinee's overall capacity for response. It is only used when the examinee exhibits a consistent lack of response. The two types of stimulus questions taught by DoDPI are the math and specific issue R/I stimululs questions. The specific issue R/I stimulus question is used only in the specific issue R/I format. C5.3.10.1. Math Question. The examinee is told that a math question may be asked during the examination but the exact wording of the question is not reviewed. (See figure C5.F11.) Figure C5.F11. Sample of a Math Question Does 10+9=19? Does 7+5=12?
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scammed New User Offline Posts: 2 Joined: May 25^th, 2006	Re: After Poly Question Reply #2 - May 26^th, 2006 at 2:09am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Thank You! Another question if they ask me to come for a retest, would it be possible for me to request that I go to an independent polygrapher, perhapps there agenda maybe different., or should I insist that If my question about being truthful came back true, then I cannot trust their polygraph and shouldnt have to repeat it. I am 35 and married with children,im going for an employment screening, and they say the question regarding Narcotic Activitie is untrue, I dont even smoke, and I didnt even know half the drungs he mentioned. What would you do?


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George W. Maschke Global Moderator Offline Make-believe science yields make-believe security. Posts: 6211 Joined: Sep 29^th, 2000	Re: After Poly Question Reply #3 - May 26^th, 2006 at 11:29am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	If you propose going to an independent polygrapher, they're really going to wonder what you've been smoking. I don't know of any government agency that would even consider such a proposal. If I were you, I would seek out an employer that does not treat applicants with such deep disrespect as to judge their honesty and integrity on the basis of such quackery as the polygraph.

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