8675309,

Did you prepare in any way or try using CM's?

Were the relevant questions exactly the same?


polywantahcracker

I assume you were not accused of using countermeasures?

8675309,

In retrospect would you have done anything different to prepare?

Sending you a PM.....

poly

I turned down the FBI's offer of a retest exactly because I felt I could not trust them. Also, in the interim, I landed a job offer in a different career field that pays $20,000 more a year. Gee, guess which path I chose!

I'm sorry to say that the FBI are a bunch of buffoons. They hold themselves out as protectors of national security. But what serious national security professional would shuffle the papers of one applicant's file with another's, as they did mine? Or call to offer me an Investigative Specialist position just days after they failed me on the poly for the Intelligence Analyst position? I had to tell THEM that THEY had already failed me -- so I likely wouldn't be in the running for whatever else they wanted to offer me. Talk about a bunch of bumbling a-holes.

Our family has a friend who is an FBI agent. I can no longer shake his hand when he greets me. To me, he now represents a great evil. The next time an FBI agent comes to my door seeking help with this or that, I will take great pleasure in telling him or her where to go.

If any FBI agents or staff are reading this, do you idiots realize what you are doing to the reputation of your bureau by tolerating the insanity of the polygraph? The needless enemies you are creating? Shame -- eternal shame on all of you and your organization.

One upside of my failed polygraph is that the next time I get called for jury duty, I can get out of it using the excuse: "No less than the FBI has informed me that I am a liar. When they polyraphed me, I myself sure thought that I was telling the truth. But they and their machine informed me otherwise. Therefore, your honor, I guess I simply cannot be trusted to sit on this jury. So thank you for excusing me."

George,

Has the FBI ever released the official statistics regarding the pass/fail rate of applicant re-tests?

My second polygrapher was calm and cordial throughout.  After a relatively short test, he told me that he "did not see anything that would hold me back," but the results are always reviewed.

After 6 weeks I got my rejection letter and "unsuitable" ruling due to issues that came up on my polygraph.

Now this is where it gets interesting.  I requested my applicant file.  I was shocked to read that my second polygrapher wrote that I was not a suitable polygraph subject and he recommended no further.  This was after he said he thought I would pass.

It was then that I realized he had outright lied to my face.  I'm sure his lie was a lie of convenience just to get me out of there in time for lunch.  But this came after he lectured me in the pretest interview on how the FBI was searching for people of integrity.  Well Mr. Polygrapher -- you just failed that one.

That only further cemented my view that:
1.  The polygraph is a sham

2.  Many polygraphers are more ethically and morally bankrupt than their subjects.

3.  The FBI as an organization has a serious problem with arrogance, hypocracy, and incompetence.

Like allegedliar ... if the FBI were to ever request my cooperation in anything, I would do absolutely nothing to help them unless legally required.  I believe that the organization is doing more damage to our country than it is helping it.

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Yes, let's do trash the FBI as a whole -- I cannot accept apologism when it comes to the behaviour of this organization. If it hires its staff and agents based upon a lie, then it is an organization built upon lies. And we cannot trust such an organization to enforce our laws. And who are these men of steel you spoke with at the FBI -- sworn to uphold the law -- who will not even step out into the light of day to say publicly what they disclosed to you in private? Have they no shame? Are they merely running out the clock for their pensions?

These camera-shy men and women need to acquaint themselves with the practice known as resigning over principle. Were I to witness a resignation now and then over the bureau's misguided and misapplied use of the polygraph, I might have more respect for the FBI and its personnel. As it stands, they continue to go about their work either without principles or unwilling to stand up for them.

It should gravely concern any American -- especially failed candidates held to much higher standards during the FBI's hiring process and suspects scrutinized by the FBI in criminal investigations -- that such individuals are entrusted not only with national security but with the truth itself.