He thought!!! you used countermeasures. Thought is a key word here. That means he's not sure if you used countermeasures and he wants you back to try some more tricks. He already told you that you passed. Hold him to it. The way I understand it the CHARTS show DI, NDI or INC. In this case they showed NDI. YOU PASSED. He CANNOT lawfully insert his wild guesses.

Obtain a copy of your charts and have them read by  independent quality control people. Not where you took the test.

If the same polygoofer tests you next time, you are probably dead in the water before you start. If I was in your shoes, I would decline a retest.

nbkriver11 wrote on Mar 6^th, 2006 at 12:09am:


nbkriver11,

Listen very closely.  You were caught using countermeasures, plain and simple.

At first I was surprised the examiner even offered a re-test.  Then I reflected upon it and remembered that on several occasions recently, when I caught am examinee attempting countermeasures, I confronted them and in each case, the behavior stopped.  They did not always admit to what they had obviously done, but in every case the physiology that caused me to suspect cm's immediately stopped.  In each case we were able to ultimately complete the exam and successfully resolve whatever the issue happened to be (screening/crim).

Please don't listen to posters on this site that pick apart nuances in phraseology (e.g., he thought???)  The only thing I believe the examiner probably did wrong in your case was to imply that your examination was NDI numerically but that he believes CM's had been employed.  I, for one would have never made that statement.  I would have simply shut down the test, looked you in the face and announced that were we were about to have a very long talk about polygraph countermeasures.

In short, you seem like a decent enough fellow. Next time try dealing honestly with the examiner.  There are many people who return for testing, drop their attempts to defeat the test, and are ultimately deemed NDI. 

I very much hope you are one of those people.

Nonombre

polyfool wrote on Mar 6^th, 2006 at 3:41am:


Polyfool,

I do not mind answering your question.  I don't know about the thousands of other polygraph examiners in the world.  I can just answer for myself.  My answer consists of two points:

1.  I, for one never acuse an examinee of countermeasures unless I am quite sure.

2.  As a result, the vast majority of those I confront of countermeasures confess to their use and IF I should choose to retest, the exact physiological behavior I saw on the polygraph charts immediately ceases.  In the few cases where the examinee does not admit to what he has clearly done, the behavior STILL immediately stops.  Why is it therefore, that in virtually every case, the actions you all insist we can't see seem to cease as soon as the examinee has been confronted with what it is you all continually insist we can't see...???

In the end, I feel worst for all the truthful people who have been misguided by this site and taught to employ the myriad of utterly stupid actions which in so many causes them to lose their life's dream.

You guys blame the polygraph.  I blame you.

Regards,

Nonombre

Nonombre:

Good posts but your'e wasting your time.  Most of the people in here DON'T want to believe what you are writing. 

My experiences with counter measures are exactly the same as yours .

Twoblock:  you're on the money, I don't need to lead people astray, it's pointless.  To comment on nonombre's remark, let me take it a step further by saying that good examiners don't accuse examinees of employing CMs unless they're DAMN sure.  Nonombre is absolutely on target when he says that when examinee is confronted, the behavior ceases immediately.  The examinee is now "put on notice" that continued behavior will not be tolerated and examinee runs the risk of the exam being terminated.  If you're an applicant, do you want to take the risk?  Further, because of the quality control review, if there is any doubt of possible countermeasures having been employed, the test will not be supported, and the examinee will be called back for a re-test.  I have to believe that the examinee must weigh the advantages and disadvantages of using CMs, and decide if the reward is worth the risk.

Twoblocks' point is very precise.  The polygraph is supposed to be "highly accurate".  I was the same person doing the same thing on three seperate occasions but the results swung wildly about the threshold of any doubt.  I was "inconclusive", "not within acceptable parameters", and then "within acceptable parameters."  I still look back and try to make sense out of it all.  It makes no sense.  They were completely satisfied that I was lying but somehow did not want to justify their conclusions and thus another polygraph.  My third was absolutely identical to my first and for no other reason, I expected to be found inconclusive again but I was found "to be acceptable."

No true comparison of anything is possible because there are no audio or video tapes to perform an analysis or quality control.  The tapes, or CDs or DVDs are cheap and easily stored yet the FBI keeps trying to fight such a simple add-on which could protect both the examiner and examinee.  The FBI keeps trying to convince people that they are trying to protect the applicant's rights  by not recording the exam but the applicant has no rights in an FBI application so the point is moot.

Just does not make sense Twoblock.

Regards.

Well I must credit the claims of polygraph examiners to detect countermeasures.  When I get one of the control questions perhaps I’ll just think “I’M NOT USING  COUNTERMEASURES! I’M NOT USING COUNTERMEASURES!”

This should pretty much assure me of a “lying” response on the correct (control) questions.

Regards