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llamatippin New User Offline Posts: 10 Joined: Nov 16^th, 2005	Possible Control? Jan 6^th, 2006 at 7:26am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	"Have you been COMPLETELY honest with your PO?" "Is your name _realname_?" "do you live in oregon?" do these determine the baseline at all?


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Smokey Ex Member	Re: Possible Control? Reply #1 - Jan 6^th, 2006 at 7:49am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	llamatippin wrote on Jan 6^th, 2006 at 7:26am: "Have you been COMPLETELY honest with your PO?" "Is your name _realname_?" "do you live in oregon?" do these determine the baseline at all? The first one looks like a RELEVANT question and the last two are IRRELEVANT.


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llamatippin New User Offline Posts: 10 Joined: Nov 16^th, 2005	Re: Possible Control? Reply #2 - Jan 6^th, 2006 at 7:51am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	but doesn't everybody lie to their po? I kid. Is it possible to take a poly without any Controls?


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Smokey Ex Member	Re: Possible Control? Reply #3 - Jan 6^th, 2006 at 7:53am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Quote: Llamatippin wrote: Is it possible to take a poly without any Controls? Yes, those are called "Relevant/Irrelevant tests. If you haven't already, you may want to download "The Lie Behind The Lie Detector" and you will find most anything you need to know relating to ploygraphs.


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llamatippin New User Offline Posts: 10 Joined: Nov 16^th, 2005	Re: Possible Control? Reply #4 - Jan 6^th, 2006 at 8:03am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Any specific chapters or pages that would help teach me how to "not fail a relevant/irrelevant test even though i'm telling the truth".


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Smokey Ex Member	Re: Possible Control? Reply #5 - Jan 6^th, 2006 at 8:19am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Use you Behavioral Countermeasures. I think it states in Chapter 4 to use CM's on two different RELEVANT questions on each of the 3 (or however many) sets of questions. Download it if you haven't already and study Chapters 3 & 4 hard.


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llamatippin New User Offline Posts: 10 Joined: Nov 16^th, 2005	Re: Possible Control? Reply #6 - Jan 6^th, 2006 at 8:41am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	CH4 states: "You can prevent such a pattern from occurring by simply producing responses to two differing groups of two relevant questions within the different chart presentations." So they will be asking me groups of questions (grouped similar questions that are relevant) Can someone please provide me with an example?


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George W. Maschke Global Moderator Offline Make-believe science yields make-believe security. Posts: 6230 Joined: Sep 29^th, 2000	Re: Possible Control? Reply #7 - Jan 6^th, 2006 at 9:07am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	llamatippin wrote on Jan 6^th, 2006 at 7:26am: "Have you been COMPLETELY honest with your PO?" "Is your name _realname_?" "do you live in oregon?" do these determine the baseline at all? While the first question may appear to be relevant, it's actually much more likely to be a probable-lie "control" question. Note that it doesn't address any specific conduct. It would be a poor choice for a relevant question in post-conviction polygraph screening. The last two questions are clearly irrelevant (and thus, unscored). As for the relevant/irrelevant technique, the countermeasures suggested in The Lie Behind the Lie Detector pertain to federal polygraph security screening. If you encounter a relevant/irrelevant "test" in post-conviction polygraph screening, I think it would be safest to stick to behavioral countermeasures.

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llamatippin New User Offline Posts: 10 Joined: Nov 16^th, 2005	Re: Possible Control? Reply #8 - Jan 6^th, 2006 at 11:08am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	I've learned that with the question "have you been completely honest with your PO?" before the test they will ask me this, then I need to specify, then they will ask me a more focused question. "have you lied to your PO to prevent being sanctioned?" Now, this smells like control to me. But if i fail this question, i do believe i fail the test. This will be grouped with other questions "is there any other crimes that you're not telling us about?" "have you committed any other crimes?". But with my understanding of relevant/irrelevant- couldn't i react to all the relevent questions, then just answer the irrelevant however?


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