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Seamarshal New User Offline Posts: 8 Joined: Dec 13^th, 2005	Counter measures during stim test? Dec 22^nd, 2005 at 10:50pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Ok so I have a retest coming up and I am now well prepared exept this: During the stim test, (write down a number 1-10 and say no to all of them) when should I deploy countermeasures? Is it when I intentionally lie on the number I wrote down? Or all others exept the number I wrote? ??? One more thing if there are no control questions on the test except for relevant ones, when should I employ countermeasures ??? Thanks
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Smokey Ex Member	Re: Counter measures during stim test? Reply #1 - Dec 23^rd, 2005 at 10:42am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Seamarshal wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2005 at 10:50pm: Ok so I have a retest coming up and I am now well prepared exept this: During the stim test, (write down a number 1-10 and say no to all of them) when should I deploy countermeasures? Is it when I intentionally lie on the number I wrote down? Or all others exept the number I wrote? ??? One more thing if there are no control questions on the test except for relevant ones, when should I employ countermeasures ??? Thanks Seamarshal, In response to question #1, Yes it may bea good idea to employ a CM when told to "lie" about a number you wrote down "refer to Page 150 in TLBTLD). If oyur test is a "Relevant/Irrelevant" test instead of a "Control Question Test," you may want to focus more on behavioral CMs and refer to Page 151 of TLBTLD. Good Luck


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Seamarshal New User Offline Posts: 8 Joined: Dec 13^th, 2005	Re: Counter measures during stim test? Reply #2 - Dec 24^th, 2005 at 5:58am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Ok thanks for the suggestion, so let me get this right: When the examiner states the test is about to begin: SPIKE IT (CM's) Then SPIKE any 2 rellevant questions When the examiner states the test is over: Spike it again? Then on the next set of quetions spike 2 diffrent rellevant questions along with the begining and end? And during the stim test spike the lie question (number I picked) I need some feedback, Is it possible for them to throw in a control question during this type of test? And is it good advise to pay for your own poly exam in order to get over the fear and anxiety of taking own when its time to take the real one for employement? How about the question is today _______?
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Seamarshal New User Offline Posts: 8 Joined: Dec 13^th, 2005	Re: Counter measures during stim test? Reply #3 - Dec 24^th, 2005 at 8:10am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Is it also possible for them to throw in a control question for this type of test? And would it be good idea to pay for a poly exam in order to get over the fear and anxiety of having to take one prior to the real pre-employment one?


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Trooper New User Offline Posts: 9 Joined: Dec 17^th, 2005	Re: Counter measures during stim test? Reply #4 - Dec 25^th, 2005 at 1:27am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	How much do private polygraphs usually run? Mine is next month and I am studying and practicing daily for it.


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Seamarshal New User Offline Posts: 8 Joined: Dec 13^th, 2005	Re: Counter measures during stim test? Reply #5 - Dec 25^th, 2005 at 4:57am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Its pretty expensive: It runs from $250-$300 for a typical 90 min session, I suggest trying googling for a polygraph graph examiner, most of the time there are private detectives.


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gelb disliker Senior User Offline Posts: 92 Location: ou ti nth emiddl eo fnowhere Joined: Jul 28^th, 2004	Re: Counter measures during stim test? Reply #6 - Dec 25^th, 2005 at 6:23am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	$375.00 from Edward Gelb of Intercept Inc. Located in Los Angeles. He charges this much because he's supposedly got a PhD.


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Trooper New User Offline Posts: 9 Joined: Dec 17^th, 2005	Re: Counter measures during stim test? Reply #7 - Dec 25^th, 2005 at 7:06am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Thanks!


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Smokey Ex Member	Re: Counter measures during stim test? Reply #8 - Dec 25^th, 2005 at 9:41am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Quote: $375.00 from Edward Gelb of Intercept Inc. Located in Los Angeles. He charges this much because he's supposedly got a PhD. Yeah, I hear them folks with PhDs can detect a "lie" quicker than the ploygraphers without PhD's, RIGHT??


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gelb disliker Senior User Offline Posts: 92 Location: ou ti nth emiddl eo fnowhere Joined: Jul 28^th, 2004	Re: Counter measures during stim test? Reply #9 - Dec 25^th, 2005 at 10:17am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Taken from the Intercept website: Intercept Inc. Polygraph Expert Known Around The World Dr. Edward Gelb, Ph.D., has been detecting lies and verifying the truth since 1956. Dr. Gelb is known to attorneys for his expertise and noteworthy cases. He is known to the public through the T.V. program, "Lie Detector" which he hosted with attorney, F. Lee Bailey and as the lie detection expert on Spain's hit television program, "La Maquina De La Verdad." Dr. Gelb provides answers for attorneys having cases requiring the highest level of expertise. He also accepts corporate and private cases where accuracy is paramount. All inquiries are held in the strictest confidence. World Famous Lie Detection Expert State Of The Art Computerized Equipment Past President Of The American Polygraph Association Known For His Expertise Throughout The World Confidential Referrals From Top Flight Attorneys Free Consultation Via Telephone If You Want The Truth Contact Dr. Edward Gelb Intercept 4201 Wilshire Blvd #312 Los Angeles, CA. 90010 Ph: 323- 932-0200 Egelb43972@aol.com


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Eastwood Senior User Offline Posts: 60 Joined: Jun 21^st, 2002	Re: Counter measures during stim test? Reply #10 - Dec 29^th, 2005 at 8:03pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	PhD's - a total joke


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George W. Maschke Global Moderator Offline Make-believe science yields make-believe security. Posts: 6230 Joined: Sep 29^th, 2000	Re: Counter measures during stim test? Reply #11 - Dec 29^th, 2005 at 8:10pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Eastwood wrote on Dec 29^th, 2005 at 8:03pm: PhD's - a total joke I'm not sure what you mean to say. Ph.D. degrees from accredited universities are not a joke. Nor is it a laughing matter that some of the most prominent members of the polygraph community who claim to be Ph.D.'s in fact got their "degrees" from unaccredited diploma mills. Those masquerading as Ph.D.s include Ed Gelb, James Allan Matte, and Michael Martin.

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cesium_133 Senior User Offline Mendacium est dicere "Animum tuum lego!" Posts: 92 Location: Charlotte, NC, USA Joined: Jan 8^th, 2006 Gender:	Re: Counter measures during stim test? Reply #12 - Jan 10^th, 2006 at 11:29am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	The test I had last time was a form of the CQT, though it did not conform to the CQT described so well here; it was all jumbled up (see one of my other posts on this). It also had no stim component to it. For comparison, if it was run at all (I have some doubts), the polygrapher used the CQ's. Anyhow, here is an idea I have for CM'ing this thing, something I have not heard on here: What about being completely truthful on the CQ's, but augmenting my reactions through mental processes nonetheless (doing arithmetic, picturing falling off a precipice, or projecting a general feeling of panic into my stomach, if you all relate to that last one)? I want to be truthful as best I can; answering "have you ever told a serious lie?" with a "no" can only give them a great excuse to be suspicious -if they so desire-, even if they wanted you to lie in the first place. However, if I spiked the CQ's with honest responses, would the polygrapher not be doubly confused? Also, would that not provide me the triple benefit of (1) jacking up the CQ responses, as is generally suggested, (2) leaving the RQ readings below the CQ's, as I would not augment there, and (3) make it look like I was trying to be extra-honest, the tracings notwithstanding? If I get another CQT (I have a test soon), would all that not almost guarantee me a pass, or at least an inconclusive? I don't see how I could fail. Input is requested...

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