Normal Topic Sorry, but... (Read 2575 times)
Paste Member Name in Quick Reply Box traveler
New User
*
Offline



Posts: 7
Joined: Sep 10th, 2005
Sorry, but...
Sep 11th, 2005 at 10:02pm
Mark & QuoteQuote Print Post  
I've seen different types of questions being labeled as 'control'.  1)  Is your name ____ ____.  2)  Have you ever told a lie.  Those seem to be two different types of questions to me, but apparently, they are not.  So, on both these questions we are to illicit CM's, correct?

Wouldn't a lie produce different breating, elevated blood pressure, sweating?  So then why are we to illicit CM's on a truthful question that should not produce any elevated conditions?

I hope I've explained my two questions clearly and some of you can let me know where my confusion lies.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Paste Member Name in Quick Reply Box George W. Maschke
Global Moderator
*****
Online


Make-believe science yields
make-believe security.

Posts: 6222
Joined: Sep 29th, 2000
Re: Sorry, but...
Reply #1 - Sep 11th, 2005 at 10:07pm
Mark & QuoteQuote Print Post  
The first question (Is your name _______?) is not a "control" question. Rather, it is an irrelevant question, and one would not employ countermeasures when answering it. For an explanation of polygraph question types, see Chapter 3 of The Lie Behind the Lie Detector.
  

George W. Maschke
I am generally available in the chat room from 3 AM to 3 PM Eastern time.
Tel/SMS: 1-202-810-2105 (Please use Signal Private Messenger or WhatsApp to text or call.)
E-mail/iMessage/FaceTime: antipolygraph.org@protonmail.com
Wire: @ap_org
Threema: A4PYDD5S
Personal Statement: "Too Hot of a Potato"
Back to top
IP Logged
 
Paste Member Name in Quick Reply Box traveler
New User
*
Offline



Posts: 7
Joined: Sep 10th, 2005
Re: Sorry, but...
Reply #2 - Sep 11th, 2005 at 10:27pm
Mark & QuoteQuote Print Post  
Thank you.  I have read and re-read ch 3 and for some reason am just not quite understanding it.  I think it's becuase I would think that I am misunderstanding what the machine will detect.  Meaning, why would it detect an honest answer?  2) Have you ever told a lie?  We all have, therefore it would be Yes and we would employ CM's.  But why do they need to be employed if it's an honest answer?
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Paste Member Name in Quick Reply Box George W. Maschke
Global Moderator
*****
Online


Make-believe science yields
make-believe security.

Posts: 6222
Joined: Sep 29th, 2000
Re: Sorry, but...
Reply #3 - Sep 11th, 2005 at 10:44pm
Mark & QuoteQuote Print Post  
As we note at p. 98 of the 4th edition of TLBTLD, when minor admissions are made to "control" questions, the polygrapher will move to exclude them:

Quote:
“Control” questions tend to be broad and sweeping, spanning a long period of time. Common “control” questions include:

• Have you ever lied to a loved one?
• Have you ever taken something that does not belong to you?”
• Since the age of 18, have you ever considered hitting someone in anger?

Since most everyone can answer “yes” to all of these questions, the typical examinee will admit to one or two minor transgressions.The polygrapher will then move to contain these admissions, in order to leave you with the uneasy feeling that you haven’t told all. The polygrapher accomplishes this by trying to convince you that any further admissions on these questions will call your character and integrity into question, and that you would end up failing the “test” before it even begins.

Following limited admissions, the “control” questions often end up structured as, “Other than what you told me, have you ever lied to a loved one?” The theory is that when you answer the question “no,” you must still be withholding something, or at least feel uneasy about not remembering some incident from long ago. The polygrapher treats your response to this question as though it were a lie.
  

George W. Maschke
I am generally available in the chat room from 3 AM to 3 PM Eastern time.
Tel/SMS: 1-202-810-2105 (Please use Signal Private Messenger or WhatsApp to text or call.)
E-mail/iMessage/FaceTime: antipolygraph.org@protonmail.com
Wire: @ap_org
Threema: A4PYDD5S
Personal Statement: "Too Hot of a Potato"
Back to top
IP Logged
 
Paste Member Name in Quick Reply Box traveler
New User
*
Offline



Posts: 7
Joined: Sep 10th, 2005
Re: Sorry, but...
Reply #4 - Sep 11th, 2005 at 10:58pm
Mark & QuoteQuote Print Post  
So the machine detects transgressions, not lies, correct?
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Paste Member Name in Quick Reply Box George W. Maschke
Global Moderator
*****
Online


Make-believe science yields
make-believe security.

Posts: 6222
Joined: Sep 29th, 2000
Re: Sorry, but...
Reply #5 - Sep 11th, 2005 at 11:04pm
Mark & QuoteQuote Print Post  
traveler wrote on Sep 11th, 2005 at 10:58pm:
So the machine detects transgressions, not lies, correct? 


It detects neither.
  

George W. Maschke
I am generally available in the chat room from 3 AM to 3 PM Eastern time.
Tel/SMS: 1-202-810-2105 (Please use Signal Private Messenger or WhatsApp to text or call.)
E-mail/iMessage/FaceTime: antipolygraph.org@protonmail.com
Wire: @ap_org
Threema: A4PYDD5S
Personal Statement: "Too Hot of a Potato"
Back to top
IP Logged
 
Paste Member Name in Quick Reply Box traveler
New User
*
Offline



Posts: 7
Joined: Sep 10th, 2005
Re: Sorry, but...
Reply #6 - Sep 11th, 2005 at 11:19pm
Mark & QuoteQuote Print Post  
That's not what I meant.  Sorry.   

Why would CM's have any effect on a control question and not effect the relative question?  Isn't it the relative question that could pose a problem to the exam taker?
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Paste Member Name in Quick Reply Box George W. Maschke
Global Moderator
*****
Online


Make-believe science yields
make-believe security.

Posts: 6222
Joined: Sep 29th, 2000
Re: Sorry, but...
Reply #7 - Sep 12th, 2005 at 12:58am
Mark & QuoteQuote Print Post  
traveler wrote on Sep 11th, 2005 at 11:19pm:
That's not what I meant.  Sorry.   

Why would CM's have any effect on a control question and not effect the relative question?  Isn't it the relative question that could pose a problem to the exam taker?


Countermeasures should not be applied while answering the relevant questions.
  

George W. Maschke
I am generally available in the chat room from 3 AM to 3 PM Eastern time.
Tel/SMS: 1-202-810-2105 (Please use Signal Private Messenger or WhatsApp to text or call.)
E-mail/iMessage/FaceTime: antipolygraph.org@protonmail.com
Wire: @ap_org
Threema: A4PYDD5S
Personal Statement: "Too Hot of a Potato"
Back to top
IP Logged
 
Sorry, but...

Please type the characters that appear in the image. The characters must be typed in the same order, and they are case-sensitive.
Open Preview Preview

You can resize the textbox by dragging the right or bottom border.
Insert Hyperlink Insert FTP Link Insert Image Insert E-mail Insert Media Insert Table Insert Table Row Insert Table Column Insert Horizontal Rule Insert Teletype Insert Code Insert Quote Edited Superscript Subscript Insert List /me - my name Insert Marquee Insert Timestamp No Parse
Bold Italicized Underline Insert Strikethrough Highlight
                       
Change Text Color
Insert Preformatted Text Left Align Centered Right Align
resize_wb
resize_hb







Max 200000 characters. Remaining characters:
Text size: pt
More Smilies
View All Smilies
Collapse additional features Collapse/Expand additional features Smiley Wink Cheesy Grin Angry Sad Shocked Cool Huh Roll Eyes Tongue Embarrassed Lips Sealed Undecided Kiss Cry
Attachments More Attachments Allowed file types: txt doc docx ics psd pdf bmp jpe jpg jpeg gif png swf zip rar tar gz 7z odt ods mp3 mp4 wav avi mov 3gp html maff pgp gpg
Maximum Attachment size: 500000 KB
Attachment 1:
X