timo wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2005 at 10:10pm:


Can't you prove that your bachelor's degreee is legitimate? Don't you have transcripts? If the school wrongly reported that it had no record of you, this is something that seemingly could be addressed.

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While there are good reasons why even a truthful person might use countermeasures, I think that apart from being unethical,  it iwould also be foolhardy to lie about having been denied a security clearance by another agency.

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Quite good. Agencies do share information, and when a National Agency Check is conducted, Agency 3 will no doubt learn that you have records with Agencies 1 and 2.

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Considering that you have passed two polygraphs already (your polygrapher will ask about any past polygraphs), your polygrapher with Agency 3 is going to expect you to pass going into it. This is a good thing. While I cannot know your chances of passing background investigations with Agencies 2 and 3, I think it is a safe bet that if you lie about the result of your background investigation with Agency 1 and are caught, you will never be granted a security clearance by any agency ever. And rightly so.

They told me just before Xmas I had passed and short of doing domestic violence or a DUI I would be getting a final offer any day now.   

A couple weeks later I called and they said they needed another piece of paper.  A month later I called again and they said they were waiting for another piece of paper.  In March I called again and they said they were still waiting, and the HR person sounded annoyed.

In April the person who was to be my supervisor called me and said they were having trouble getting my transcripts, could I call the university and have them sent directly from college to the agency.  The HR person also said something about how the BI people had told her the college had told them they were offsite and microfiched.  When I called the college they were baffled by that and said they had not gotten any request from the agency for them.

The agency did not want my copies and i did have the official  scripts sent directly from the college, but I'm not sure if they got to the right people.  There's a local office and an HQ and there was confusion on where to send them.   Three months later this letter shows up at an address I haven't lived at in years and an old neighbor was visiting a new neighbor when Fedex tried to deliver and intercepted the letter and sent it to me.

The letter didn't say why.  The Local HR person said they'd received a letter from the university that I'd never been there.  But I have the feeling they sent the request to the wrong university.  I contacted a similarly name U, and they do microfiche transcripts offsite, but not mine.

So if the agency requested my paperwork from the wrong U, they of course got a document back saying I'd never been there.  I don't know what happened to the scripts I had sent direct. 

So I don't know EXACTLY why I was denied access to secure data.  Early in my career I was detached in the 1980's to the NSA and had to have a clearance and poly which I had no trouble with.  I knew when I retired I wanted to pursue intel and designed my masters to that end.  But I have kept my nose clean and there is nothing at all in my background, good credit, no tickets, no drug use, drinking, affairs, one marriage, good kids, etc...

I have FOIAed my agency background records to see exactly which university they requested transcripts from.  But until that file comes, I don't know and can't prove anything and I have the poly in two weeks.  If my old neighbor hadn't intercepted the rejection letter I'd still not know and think Agency 1 was just slow finishing.

I've thought what if this goes through and I start working and it catches up with me and figured I'd point out that I'd never gotten the rejection letter, it went to the wrong place, and by that time I'd have my FOIA file and could prove the rejection was because of the Agency's mistake, nothing I did.   

I just don't know what is best to do.  Advice?