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Release of poly charts
Aug 20th, 2005 at 9:10pm
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Is it standard operating procedure for the FBI to release poly charts to former applicants from both first and second "not within acceptable parameters" test results? In other words, do all "failed" applicants receive their poly charts, or does the agency pick and choose who gets what? Has anyone received charts from both "failed" FBI poly exams?
  
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Reply #1 - Aug 20th, 2005 at 9:29pm
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I'm not sure what is happening in practice, but all polygraph charts should be released to the applicant under the Privacy Act. I only had one FBI polygraph examination, but in my case, the FBI alleges that it is unable to locate my polygraph charts.
  

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Reply #2 - Aug 21st, 2005 at 6:06am
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I'm not sure what is happening in practice, but all polygraph charts should be released to the applicant under the Privacy Act. I only had one FBI polygraph examination, but in my case, the FBI alleges that it is unable to locate my polygraph charts.

I wouldn't take it personally, George.  Afterall, the same goverment couldn't find any WMD's in Iraq either.
  
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Reply #3 - Aug 21st, 2005 at 11:42am
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Jeffery wrote on Aug 21st, 2005 at 6:06am:

I wouldn't take it personally, George.  Afterall, the same goverment couldn't find any WMD's in Iraq either.


I am skeptical that there is a good faith explanation for the FBI's alleged inability to find my polygraph charts.
  

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Reply #4 - Aug 22nd, 2005 at 5:52am
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I got all of mine back when i requested although they did redact the +/- score at each spot point. they also redacted the agent's names, as thought i didnt remember who they were.

I followed the advice on this board for FOIA requests in that I got my congressan's office to sent the letter.

it took 8 weeks. overall, i was impreseed with the process
  
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Reply #5 - Aug 22nd, 2005 at 6:53am
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The FBI provided my polygraph charts as part of their response to my FOIA request.  As they did with Bill Crider's charts, they redacted the scores at each spot point and the agents' names.

I did not go through my congressman's office and the FBI was not timely in responding.  After an initial denial of my FOIA request, they did provide the data when I appealed.


  
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Reply #6 - Aug 22nd, 2005 at 8:27am
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There is no legitimate reason for the FBI to redact either the polygrapher's name or the numerical scores assigned to the reactions on the polygraph charts. This latter practice, in particular, prevents an independent review of the FBI's numerical scoring of polygraph charts. No public purpose is served by withholding this information. It is simply a flight from accountability on the FBI's part.
  

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Reply #7 - Aug 22nd, 2005 at 5:04pm
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meangino wrote on Aug 22nd, 2005 at 6:53am:
After an initial denial of my FOIA request, they did provide the data when I appealed.

What was their basis for the original denial?
  
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Reply #8 - Aug 23rd, 2005 at 5:02am
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The FBI alleged the case was still open in denying my original FOIA request. 

My lawyer had already confirmed the FBI had closed the case and the FBI belatedly recognized that fact when I appealed.
  
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