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Breathing Reactions & Big Trouble for Polygraphers
Mar 23rd, 2005 at 2:30pm
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AntiPolygraph.org has received information indicating that the Department of Defense Polygraph Institute (DoDPI) has reduced the number of scorable breathing reactions from the twelve that were listed in the Test Data Analysis document released to AntiPolygraph.org in 2001 under the Freedom of Information Act to the following ten:
  • Apnea/blocking
  • Decrease in rate
  • Inhalation/exhalation change
  • Decrease in amplitude
  • Progressive decrease in amplitude
  • Increase in rate
  • Increase in amplitude
  • Progressive increase in amplitude and return to homeostasis
  • Progressive increase in amplitude followed by a decrease in amplitude
  • Temporary change in baseline

Importantly, DoDPI does not consider all of these reactions to be of equal value for scoring polygraph charts. The first five reactions (highlighted above in green), and especially the first one, apnea/blocking (briefly holding one's breath after the completion of an exhalation cycle), are held by DoDPI to be "highly diagnostic." Anyone considering employing polygraph countermeasures would be well advised to choose one of these five rather than any of the other breathing countermeasures presented in Chapter 4 of the 3rd edition of The Lie Behind the Lie Detector. In that chapter, these five "highly diagnostic" reactions appear as numbers 12 (p. 149), 1 (p.145), 3 (p. 146), 5 (p. 146), and 8 (p. 147), respectively.

This information, while unclassified, is considered highly sensitive by DoDPI. A senior member of the federal polygraph community and former DoDPI instructor reportedly opined that if this information were to become public, it could "effectively neutralize" the respiration channel, and the polygraph community would be in "big trouble." Well, now it is public.

Also, in mid-2004, DoDPI was reportedly giving serious consideration to eliminating the following four scorable breathing reactions:
  • Increase in amplitude
  • Increase in rate
  • Progressive increase and decrease in amplitude
  • Decrease in baseline

It is not known what decision, if any, has been taken in this regard.
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Re: Breathing Reactions and Big Trouble for Polygr
Reply #1 - Mar 23rd, 2005 at 5:42pm
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AntiPolygraph.org has received information indicating that the Department of Defense Polygraph Institute (DoDPI) has reduced the number of scorable breathing reactions from the twelve that were listed in the Test Data Analysis document released to AntiPolygraph.org in 2001 under the Freedom of Information Act to the following ten:

    * Apnea/blocking
    * Decrease in rate
    * Inhalation/exhalation change
    * Decrease in amplitude
    * Progressive decrease in amplitude
    * Increase in rate
    * Increase in amplitude
    * Progressive increase in amplitude and return to homeostasis
    * Progressive increase in amplitude followed by a decrease in amplitude
    * Temporary change in baseline


Importantly, DoDPI does not consider all of these reactions to be of equal value for scoring polygraph charts. The first five reactions (highlighted above in green), and especially the first one, apnea/blocking (briefly holding one's breath after the completion of an exhalation cycle), are held by DoDPI to be "highly diagnostic." Anyone considering employing polygraph countermeasures would be well advised to choose one of these five rather than any of the other breathing countermeasures presented in Chapter 4 of the 3rd edition of The Lie Behind the Lie Detector. In that chapter, these five "highly diagnostic" reactions appear as numbers 12 (p. 149), 1 (p.145), 3 (p. 146), 5 (p. 146), and 8 (p. 147), respectively.
 
This information, while unclassified, is considered highly sensitive by DoDPI. A senior member of the federal polygraph community and former DoDPI instructor reportedly opined that if this information were to become public, it could "effectively neutralize" the respiration channel, and the polygraph community would be in "big trouble." Well, now it is public.
 
Also, in mid-2004, DoDPI was reportedly giving serious consideration to eliminating the following four scorable breathing reactions:

    * Increase in amplitude
    * Increase in rate
    * Progressive increase and decrease in amplitude
    * Decrease in baseline


It is not known what decision, if any, has been taken in this regard.



This is very useful, George, although a bit amusing (or scarey depending on one's viewpoint) to think that successful polygraph practice rests (even from a polygrapher's point of  view)  on such easily manipulated nonsense.  I think it would be very easy using this information to put together a small streaming  video that would demonstrate (eliminating unnecessary jargon  and nomenclature) how  an examinee  could practice  and perfect  the   performance of  these breathing  manipulations in the absence of an  available polygraph.  I think the necessary instructional tape would be no longer than 5 minutes in length and would allow for successful performance by almost  anyone.    The added and unsaid  benefit/bonus of these manipulations is the unintended/unpracticed but  yet useful impact of the respiratory manipulations on the  electrodermal (sweating)  channel.    I can think of no more ready way to end this QUACKERY  than to demonstrate  to all how easily it (CQT polygraphy) can be manipulated in a manner that is undetectable and that would be readily scored (according to polygraph-community scoring rules) by  the unsuspecting polygraph examiner.
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Re: Breathing Reactions & Big Trouble for Poly
Reply #2 - Mar 24th, 2005 at 12:28am
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AntiPolygraph.org has received information indicating that the Department of Defense Polygraph Institute (DoDPI) has reduced the number of scorable breathing reactions from the twelve that were listed in the Test Data Analysis document released to AntiPolygraph.org in 2001 under the Freedom of Information Act to the following ten:

    * Apnea/blocking
    * Decrease in rate
    * Inhalation/exhalation change
    * Decrease in amplitude
    * Progressive decrease in amplitude
    * Increase in rate
    * Increase in amplitude
    * Progressive increase in amplitude and return to homeostasis
    * Progressive increase in amplitude followed by a decrease in amplitude
    * Temporary change in baseline


Importantly, DoDPI does not consider all of these reactions to be of equal value for scoring polygraph charts. The first five reactions (highlighted above in green), and especially the first one, apnea/blocking (briefly holding one's breath after the completion of an exhalation cycle), are held by DoDPI to be "highly diagnostic." Anyone considering employing polygraph countermeasures would be well advised to choose one of these five rather than any of the other breathing countermeasures presented in Chapter 4 of the 3rd edition of The Lie Behind the Lie Detector. In that chapter, these five "highly diagnostic" reactions appear as numbers 12 (p. 149), 1 (p.145), 3 (p. 146), 5 (p. 146), and 8 (p. 147), respectively.
 
This information, while unclassified, is considered highly sensitive by DoDPI. A senior member of the federal polygraph community and former DoDPI instructor reportedly opined that if this information were to become public, it could "effectively neutralize" the respiration channel, and the polygraph community would be in "big trouble." Well, now it is public.
 
Also, in mid-2004, DoDPI was reportedly giving serious consideration to eliminating the following four scorable breathing reactions:

    * Increase in amplitude
    * Increase in rate
    * Progressive increase and decrease in amplitude
    * Decrease in baseline


It is not known what decision, if any, has been taken in this regard.


Clearever,

Your question about "yes" and "no" (although interesting) becomes moot for several reasons:

(1)  Both being monosyllabic are said relatively instantaneously.  The polygraph examiner is looking for reactions beginning roughly one-half second after the beginning of the asking of the question (perhaps even before the "yes" or "no" is said) and continuing for perhaps 3 to 4 seconds following the answer

(2) If it were an issue, both "yes" and "no" can be said with almost no respiratory excursion that would be picked up in the pneumo tubes and most importantly,

(3) the scoring of the responses to questions are intercomparisons between one relevant question and one control question.  These are both answered with the same answer--typically a "no."

I should also point out that which you noted (if it were a problem) would not have to do with the subject of this thread, i.e., polygraph responses and countermeasures involving respiration, but would be a confound in the general prodedure in the absence of countermeasures.  Although CQT polygraphy has many shortcomings, this is not one.  (Never let it be said that I never said anything nice about a CQT polygraph exam).   Wink
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Reply #3 - Mar 25th, 2005 at 3:36pm
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AntiPolygraph.org has received information indicating that the Department of Defense Polygraph Institute (DoDPI) has reduced the number of scorable breathing reactions from the twelve that were listed in the Test Data Analysis document released to AntiPolygraph.org in 2001 under the Freedom of Information Act to the following ten:

    * Apnea/blocking
    * Decrease in rate
    * Inhalation/exhalation change
    * Decrease in amplitude
    * Progressive decrease in amplitude
    * Increase in rate
    * Increase in amplitude
    * Progressive increase in amplitude and return to homeostasis
    * Progressive increase in amplitude followed by a decrease in amplitude
    * Temporary change in baseline


Importantly, DoDPI does not consider all of these reactions to be of equal value for scoring polygraph charts. The first five reactions (highlighted above in green), and especially the first one, apnea/blocking (briefly holding one's breath after the completion of an exhalation cycle), are held by DoDPI to be "highly diagnostic." Anyone considering employing polygraph countermeasures would be well advised to choose one of these five rather than any of the other breathing countermeasures presented in Chapter 4 of the 3rd edition of The Lie Behind the Lie Detector. In that chapter, these five "highly diagnostic" reactions appear as numbers 12 (p. 149), 1 (p.145), 3 (p. 146), 5 (p. 146), and 8 (p. 147), respectively.
 
This information, while unclassified, is considered highly sensitive by DoDPI. A senior member of the federal polygraph community and former DoDPI instructor reportedly opined that if this information were to become public, it could "effectively neutralize" the respiration channel, and the polygraph community would be in "big trouble." Well, now it is public.
 
Also, in mid-2004, DoDPI was reportedly giving serious consideration to eliminating the following four scorable breathing reactions:

    * Increase in amplitude
    * Increase in rate
    * Progressive increase and decrease in amplitude
    * Decrease in baseline


It is not known what decision, if any, has been taken in this regard.


Inasmuch as you appear to be the site-resident pro-polygraph person (polygrapher?) for the month perhaps you  might like to comment on  the aforementioned quoted material.  Specifically, do you believe as I do that for all practical purposes the jig is up, it's time to close up shop, and time for every  CQT polygrapher to change his/her ways or to seek meaningful employment?  If not (oh shucks...and I thought you might admit to such on a message board…yeah, right….), would you deny that the aforementioned considerations as described and related conversation(s) occurred at DoDPI and that the concern attributed to a former DoDPI employee was so expressed?  I will admit that I  do not have first-hand knowledge of such, but in view of other recent contact I have had with concerned polygraphers, I find the aforementioned quite conceivable.  Furthermore if you question the gist of this material, I suppose you would have no objection to me putting a video together premised on my stated opinion of such and  demonstrating to all the world how easy it is to successfully manipulate this channel of  information and that practicing doing so  can be accomplished very  easily, with little to no financial expense incurred and done so reliably in the absence of  a polygraph  and in the comfort of one's own home?  Such video would also discuss the outcome of  all this, i.e., as CQT polygraphy  becomes  even more of a bungle in the  jungle (largely  because more people recognize it to be so) than it  already is, you (collectively), should you decide to continue this rather embarrassing con, are left with little option but to randomly and wildly  accuse some high proportion of every examinee of using  countermeasures.  As we follow the strategy of this continuing game, we realize then  that every examinee should (independent of  whether he/she chooses to employ  countermeasures and  regardless of  his/her perceived level of proficiency and performance) expect to be accused of  countermeasure use and should equally well be prepared to deny to the grave any such use.   
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