Here I must agree with A.S. He/she is asking for those who produced a false negative result in a real world polygraph examination to post the details of such.

anythingformoney wrote on Feb 27^th, 2005 at 7:53pm:

Anecdotal evidence provided by anonymous persons in response to your challenge will not provide genuine evidence that countermeasures work, just as anecdotal claims by polygraphers to have detected countermeasures do not prove that polgyraphers are able to detect countermeasures at better-than-chance levels.

But peer-reviewed research strongly suggests  that CQT polygraphy is vulnerable to countermeasures that even experienced polygraphers are unable to reliably detect.

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The finding of the National Acamedy of Sciences that polygraph screening is without validity does not support this assertion.

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It is true that an innocent person who employs countermeasures and subsequently passes a polygraph examination cannot know for sure that the countermeasures were resonsible for his/her passing. But the same is also true with regard to the guilty person who employs countermeasures and passes. He/she cannot truly know whether or not he/she might have also passed absent the use of countermeasures.

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While you assert this to be the case, you have not presented any compelling evidence or argument for such. An understanding CQT procedure, as well as peer-reviewed research, strongly suggests that augmentation of reactions to the "control" questions to increase one's chances of passing is more than just a "placebo."

Hi,
Sorry about the misunderstanding.  Well, I can't help you then as I didn't lie on my one and only Poly.   

However, on an interesting side note I did pass a recent CVSA for a PD position.  No lies there either, but one funny bit:  this was a Directed Lie "test" and the examiner said that I kept showing signs of stress on a particular DL question, "Am I wearing a tie?"  I was to lie and say no. Apperaantly, I was having trouble with that one, heh.   

If there had been any problems, the only thing I could have done would be to stand my ground, as I don't know of any countermeasures for the CVSA.  And the CVSA is an even bigger joke than the Poly.  Big waste of time.

Cheers.

anythingformoney wrote on Feb 28^th, 2005 at 8:49pm:


A.S.,

You are missing the utility factor. The CVSA, properly given, may have more utility than the polygraph. Most people automatically have higher regard for newer technology - even when unwarranted. Everybody and their grandparents has heard of the polygraph and knows it is old. Leveraging that belief in new tech, the CVSA may even have more utility in extracting confessions than polygraph. (I phrased it that way just for you George!)

Hell, two kids here in Escondido falsely confessed to murder during CVSA post test interrogation. It was a bitch when the DA had to discredit those confessions during the trial of the SOB later caught with DNA evidence.

marty

Anal S,

At laest there is a cure for ignorance

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