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FBW New User Offline Posts: 2 Joined: Jan 12^th, 2005	MUST you 'use' the countermeasures? Jan 13^th, 2005 at 8:57am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Hello guys, and thanks for the site A little history.. Ive taken 2 poly's in the past 3 years (LEO hiring process) and both were passed. The first time, the examiner and I shared the same political views... and before the test even started, he told me "Oh, you'll do FINE then..." lol. Passed no problems.. Same with the seccond poly.... Anyways... Back then I used Doug Williams 'book' before I went in for the poly. I made the decision that I OWNED the test and that I wouldnt let it kill my chances to be a LEO. I also made the decision that I was NOT going to lie at all.... So for both poly's, I didnt 'deploy' the tounge biting, the 'stinger' or any of that.. I did make sure I was producing a 'normal' breathing patern though. I also tried my hardest to think about NOTHING the entire test. My question is... Is this good enough? Sure I passed 2 polys this way.. But would you advise I USE the countermeasures in the test?? Ive got a poly and psych coming up again VERY soon. Sorry if this post bounced around a little.. Im tired!


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George W. Maschke Global Moderator Offline Make-believe science yields make-believe security. Posts: 6220 Joined: Sep 29^th, 2000	Re: MUST you 'use' the countermeasures? Reply #1 - Jan 14^th, 2005 at 6:18am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	As your experience shows, it is possible to pass a polygraph examination without using countermeasures. But given CQT polygraphy's complete lack of validity, I would personally not leave things to chance.

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FBW New User Offline Posts: 2 Joined: Jan 12^th, 2005	Re: MUST you 'use' the countermeasures? Reply #2 - Jan 15^th, 2005 at 6:49am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Thanks George. I am more stressed out/nervous about this test than I ever have been for ANYTHING else.. The agency says they dont rely solely on the poly for its hiring. I still think a false fail will ruin my chances.


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AnalSphincter Ex Member	Re: MUST you 'use' the countermeasures? Reply #3 - Feb 10^th, 2005 at 12:51am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	If I were in your shoes, and I had passed two polygraphs by being honest, I wouldn't mess with what worked. People on this site have an agenda. They either failed polygraphs and now bitch and moan about it, OR they have read and believed what they read on this site and have become so freaked out about what they read that they now feel they can no longer pass a polygraph without trying to mess with the exam. Do what worked for you, and don't become one of these bitchers and moaners unless you fail an exam and can honestly look yourself in the mirror and say you didn't lie to one of the relevant issues on the exam. If you passed two polygraphs before, don't freak out just because some of these people believe they know what they are talking about. Although you may have irreparably freaked yourself out now, I still suggest you stick with what worked until it fails you.


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PG111 User Offline Posts: 37 Location: Kentucky Joined: Feb 10^th, 2005 Gender:	Re: MUST you 'use' the countermeasures? Reply #4 - Feb 14^th, 2005 at 2:00am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Anal how many polygraph exams have you run.


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AnalSphincter Ex Member	Re: MUST you 'use' the countermeasures? Reply #5 - Feb 14^th, 2005 at 3:41am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	PG111 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2005 at 2:00am: Anal how many polygraph exams have you run. Your question has dual intent. If I answer that question on its face value, I will have answered too much on another level. Although they truly don't worry about or put much value in the agenda or views of the hosts of this website, there are those in the audience who frequent this forum because they share my love of good entertainment. They want it to remain a good show, and I'd hate to disappoint them. In other words, I'd rather stay in costume and not be left naked on this stage. Suffice it to say that I know what I'm talking about through real-world experience, not simply my extraordinary ability to regurgitate the findings of others.


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Jeffery Very Senior User Offline Posts: 174 Joined: Oct 27^th, 2004	Re: MUST you 'use' the countermeasures? Reply #6 - Feb 14^th, 2005 at 5:42am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	anythingformoney wrote on Feb 14^th, 2005 at 3:41am: there are those in the audience who frequent this forum because they share my love of good entertainment. They want it to remain a good show, and I'd hate to disappoint them. I must say the entertainment level has indeed gone up since you arrived. This site seems to welcome open discourse on polygraphics (I like that term you shared in another post). Comments aren't censored here. I wonder if we could have these same conversations on a pro-poly site? Quote: In other words, I'd rather stay in costume and not be left naked on this stage. Something we can appreciate and respect.


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AnalSphincter Ex Member	Re: MUST you 'use' the countermeasures? Reply #7 - Feb 14^th, 2005 at 4:41pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Glad you like the show. Tell all your friends. I'm in town til Friday. Yes, I'm glad you liked the term "polygraphics." I was hoping you'd notice. Is there a pro-poly site? It would be very unbecoming for polygraphers to have a site where they all sat around and gloated about the successes of the polygraph. What would be the purpose? In the real world, polygraph speaks for itself anyhow.


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PG111 User Offline Posts: 37 Location: Kentucky Joined: Feb 10^th, 2005 Gender:	Re: MUST you 'use' the countermeasures? Reply #8 - Feb 15^th, 2005 at 12:44am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	http://www.polygraph.org/ is a pro-polygraph site do some reading its full of misinformation Division IV: Code of Ethics 4.2 Standards for Rendering Polygraph Decisions 4.2.1 A member shall not render a conclusive diagnosis when the physiological records lack sufficient quality and clarity. This may include, but is not limited to, excessively distorted recordings possibly due to manipulations by the examinee, recordings with insufficient responsivity, or recordings with tracing amplitudes less than that generally accepted by the profession 4.4 Restrictions on Rendering Opinions 4.4.1 A member shall not provide any report or opinion regarding the medical or psychological condition of the examinee for which the member is not professionally qualified to make. This shall not preclude the examiner from describing the appearance or behavior of the examinee. Polygraph outcome decisions shall be restricted to only those based on polygraph data. 4.11 APA Oversight Authority 4.11.1 A member who administers or attempts to administer any polygraph examination in violation of the Code of Ethics or the Standards of Practice may be subject to investigation, censure, suspension or expulsion from the Association, as provided by Article IV of the APA Constitution. Anal have you ever heard of an examiner getting in trouble. Not one case in Kentucky in the last ten years, its hard to believe huh. These guys are just like attorneys they cover for each other. Anal have you ever heard of an examiner getting in trouble. Not one case in Kentucky in the last ten years, its hard to believe huh. These guys are just like attorneys they cover for each other. Oh I have access to the news letters of the KPA and the APA.


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AnalSphincter Ex Member	Re: MUST you 'use' the countermeasures? Reply #9 - Feb 15^th, 2005 at 4:36pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Thank you for the information. I'll check that out.


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