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Reply #15 - Dec 19th, 2004 at 11:22pm
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Hey George,

Maybe you taught a molester how to use counter measures to pass his poly..????

Good job George !!!!!!!!!!!!!
  
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Reply #16 - Dec 20th, 2004 at 12:18am
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Willy,

It is entirely possible that savemydaughter's husband learned how to pass a polygraph "test" from AntiPolygraph.org. Anyone who researches the polygraph on-line is sure to find this website.

AntiPolygraph.org makes no apologies for making such information available. It is necessary for providing truthful persons with a means of protecting themselves against the random error associated with an invalid procedure that is wrongly called a "test." I have explained the ethical considerations involved in "A Response to Paul M. Menges Regarding the Ethical Considerations of Providing Polygraph Countermeasures to the Public." If you disagree with the points I raise there, feel free to post counterarguments there.

Since polygraph "testing" has no scientific basis to begin with and is vulnerable to simple countermeasures that polygraphers cannot reliably detect, why should any investigator worthy of the name rely on polygraph chart readings?
  

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Reply #17 - Dec 20th, 2004 at 7:16am
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While it is frustrating that there are so many sites dedicated to providing tips on how to beat a polygraph, this site is more dedicated to exposing the fact that there is no scientific validity to the polygraph.  Personally, I know my estranged husband received training in how to handle interrogations and if he were to have researched how to beat a polygraph on the internet, he would have found about 50 pages on the search engines full of sites that would tell him how to do so.

Furthermore, there was indeed a CPS investigation.  They were forced by law to term the case as "unable to determine" due to the lack of physical evidence.  Howver, it has been the CPS worker's personal admonition to me that she believes without a doubt that my daughter has been sexually abused by her father, she is just unable to prove it.  Her therapy that occurred before and after her outcry also points to the truthfulness of her allegations.  In addition, I would like to have it pointed out (if I have not previously done so) that it was her father's suggestion that he take a polygraph...not LE.  This in and of itself makes me suspicious.

Now, on a bit more personal note.  I fully realize that there are ex spouses that coach their children into sexual abuse allegations, but I personally cannot fathom why anyone would do that.  The day that my daughter made her first outcry at the dr. was the most gut wrenching day of my life.  I functioned through it as a shell.  I was a body going through the motions necessary to handle the situation.  I fought back the overwhelming urge to vomit or break down into a puddle of tears for each remaining second of the day.  Oddly enough, my initial reaction was not to go kill him.  My initial reaction was to hold myself together and do whatever I needed to do to help my daughter to try to heal.  Please, for those that are skeptics, do not be so brazenly callous as to assume that most outcries of sexual abuse from children of divorced or estranged parents are false.  Women, such as myself, that lived with their children through years of domestic violence are conditioned right along with their children not to rock the boat or do anything that would incur his wrath.  It is only natural that if such atrocities as sexual abuse were occuring that the child would truly be unable to reveal the abuse while living in a violent home.  They are paralyzed by fear.  Once they are in a place where they feel safe (such as several states away from their abuser), they will begin to disclose all that took place.  Why would any parent want to make a false allegation???  I know it happens, but I do not understand it.   

  
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Reply #18 - Dec 20th, 2004 at 9:39am
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willy wrote on Dec 19th, 2004 at 11:22pm:
Hey George,

Maybe you taught a molester how to use counter measures to pass his poly..????

Good job George !!!!!!!!!!!!!



Ok, let me clarify this once and for all!  

Blaming George or this site for a child molester pass a polygraph is just like blaming the movie HEAT for teaching someone how to rob a bank.  The argument is lacking simply because there are many other factors involved.

1.  Other sources that would teach one how to rob a bank (other movies, books, TV shows etc.
2.  Along the same lines this is not the only site that teaches one how to attempt to deceive a polygrapher.  
3.  Once again we must also attach blame to those that give the polygraph so much credit, so as to believe that when one passes a polygraph he is innocent.


Willy, if you have something of substance to say please do so, but to simply come out and act like an ass really does nothing but make people aware of the fact that you are indeed an ASS.
  

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Reply #19 - Dec 20th, 2004 at 9:51am
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savemydaughter,

Once again, I must clearly state that I truly do feel for you and your daughter.  I was in no way implying that you are lying.  I simply like to state the entire case for people to be able to form an opinion that is derived from educated responses.

There are a few issues that I kind of need to know in order to offer more detailed advice.  This is something I do not expect you to post, but instead ask that it be sent confidentially to me here at this site.

1.  Age of your daughter at the time of the alleged abuse.
2.  Age of your daughter now.
3.  State in which the abuse occured and whether the CPS agency was a County, City or State entity.

I must also tell you that I am no lawyer, so my advice can only be taken at face value.   
If you have already contacted a lawyer that works in the State in which this occured and there was nothing he could do, then there is probably nothing I could help with either.

If your daugther is going to go see him again all I can tell you is to:

1.  Have her keep a journal and tell her it is ok to yell out for help if need be.  Most child molesters do so because their victims will not fight back, my experience has been that they are for the most part cowards.

2.  Immediately notify another adult if the abuse occurs.  Tell her to call the COPS!  Physical evidence is hard to deny and the sooner that she can be evaluated by a medical professional the better.

3.  Get her a little voice recorder.  This can help in one of two ways.  1.  audio proof of the father attempting to hurt her.  2.  The father may in fact see the recorder and get spooked.  3.  This may also be a negative factor in that the father may see this and get angry and physically act out.

Once again there are more or less things that can be done depending on the age of your daughter.  Once again I wish you luck in this matter.


  

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Reply #20 - Dec 22nd, 2004 at 7:16pm
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dimas,

Thanks for the post.  I am a bit technologically challenged, so I am not quite sure how to send you an e-mail message through the site.

However, my daughter is elementary school aged and after going over her medical records, I have reason to believe the abuse was occurring for at least 2 years, which would make her around 4 or 5 at the time.  This is when she began to complain of irritation, and also when she expressed some knowledge of oral sex, which I unfortunately dismissed.  I now know through education and therapy that children will often begin to disclose in a variety of ways, sometimes telling a story that will only have a shred of truth to it (such as inappropriate sexual knowledge) to try to cry out to the adults around them that something bad is happening to them.  This was also around the same time that I began working outside the home, which would affirm my daughter's statements that the abuse usually occurred when I was at work.  (I worked evenings.)  Unfortunately for my daughter, she had to basically hit me between the eyes with the truth before I would see what had been happening to her.  I agonize over my missing the signs beforehand.

Thank you for the advice you gave me aboiut what to do when she is forced into visitations.  I appreciate that.

Sincerely,
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