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Firstly... Sorry for the late  post.
2 weeks ago I took a poly for a corrections position and did well.
The polygrapher was nice (at first) we had things in common and we talked like old friends.  Had a pre-test interview, looking for damaging admissions.
Ran me through the 1st chart.  It was a rel/irr test.  Conducted a stim test.  I truly blew smoke up his ass, meaning I was terribly patronizing in how I couldn't believe how accurate this machine was!  WOW !, I said that was amazing!!! ha-ha (secretly saying, "I am on to you sucka."
Ran through second chart.  Next was a 3rd chart.
Afterward I was placed in an extremely hot room to stew.
He came back, and I noticed his body language was obviously being altered.  I thought uh oh post test.
He accused me of being completely  deceptive.
I started to get annoyed, and firmly stated that I told the truth.  This was an experience that life has not prepared me for.  I have never had my character come into question like this.  Being interrogated is a miserable experience.  He insisted I was being deceptive, but did not tell me where .  I didn't have any control q's to say I had a problem with, so I denied.
He left and came back 30 mins. later.  Told me I passed.
I have to say, this was a situation I wish I never had to endure.  The way he insisted upon my guiltiness was incredible.  He is a trained interrogator.  He also mentioned that we aren't looking for boy scouts, and realizes everyone has done bad things.  I was saying to myself, dude you are full of shit.
Terrible experience, but passed.

The following week I took another poly for a different agency, still corrections..
This turned out to be a probable lie control test.
The polygrapher explained that some candidates have been going on the internet looking at how to beat this machine.  I said, thats terrible!
The polygrapher went over the relevant questions (ie. drugs, serious crime, theft, abuse and sexual crimes.)
Next he said, these q's I am going to ask you are very important.  They all should be no.
"Have you ever lied to a loved one?"
Um, yes I did, sir..
He seeked to contain this admission, "what and who did you lie to"?
I told him and we moved on.
"Have you ever lied to a supervisor?"
(at this point I am cracking up inside, thinking this guy is textbook)!
Umm, yes sir I have.
Told him what I lied about.
"Did you ever do something that made your parents embarrased"?
umm, yes sir I have.
"Is your name ____?"
Yes it is.
"Are you in the State of California?"
Yes.
Next I was attached to the machine.   
No stim test.
Ready....
Yes sir.

Are you in the State of Cali?
yes
Have you violated this agencies' stance on illegal drugs?
no
Besides what we spoke of, have you ever lied to a supervisor?
Pucker...no
Besides what we spoke of, have you ever lied to a loved one?
pucker...no
rape question 
no
abuse question
no
"Is your name ____?"
yes
Did you ever do anything to make your parent embarrased?
pucker...no
relevant
relevant
relevant
finished.
Did one more chart like this, different relevants and some different controls.  same irrelevants.
passed exam.
I also maintained a consistant breathing pattern through out the exam.  Pucker was amazing!!
So, thanks George and Gino!!!
I understane the Lie behind the detector!!!!!

Great post, and I am glad you did well.  Can you go more into depth how you dealt with the I/R ques in regards to CM's that you used, or did you just wing it without......Thanks for your time.....

head-fed wrote on Aug 12^th, 2004 at 11:15pm:


So what? The countermeasure information provided in The Lie Behind the Lie Detector is not based on my personal experience, nor that of my co-author, Gino Scalabrini. Rather, it is based on an extensive review of the polygraph literature. We've included ample citations that readers may check for themselves.

I invite you to point out anything in The Lie Behind the Lie Detector that believe to be false or otherwise misleading.

40smith wrote on Aug 12^th, 2004 at 11:51pm:


What's the new posting policy George?  You only ban posters and delete posts that are pro-polygraph?  This rude personal attack post containing foul language is OK with you as long as it is anti-poly-pro-George.....  Just so people will know, responses to posts like this one get deleted but the ones kissing George's ass stay on.  OH WELL - so much for your claim of a free discussion.  That's, how do you say it 40Smith?   a crock o' shit.....  And by the way, 40, I'm not mad, I'm just pointing out the facts.

head-fed,

Actually 40 smith only referred to you as a joke, he did not use profanity direct towards you as a person.  He also used the good old "crock of shit" expletive as a description of his opinion on Polygraphy.  His post was actually sticking to the subject.

People's posts get sent away to the discarded posts for excessive languange, ad-hominem attacks and mainly for being WAY off of topic.   (I should know as on occasion I have had my posts moved due to this)

I can tell you more than likely are one of the unhappy posters who has on occasion been sent off.

All are reminded of, and politely requested to comply with, AntiPolygraph.org's posting policy:

http://antipolygraph.org/cgi-bin/forums/YaBB.pl?board=Action;action=display;num=...

I have changed my log-on to 40smith, and I am the original poster.
I delt with the i/r test by just winging it.  I was confused a bit, so I didn't attempt to alter any patterns. ie breathing.

The other one, countermeasures were used.  It was so easy picking out the controls.  George and Gino have really put together a wealth of knowledge here in the LBTLD.  If you really read it, and let it sink in, you will do just fine.  I am not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but I aint dumb either.. haha.
If you get the chance for a probable lie/direct lie exam, using countermeasures should be a breeze unless you make it really obvious.  You also might want to look at the chair you are placed in to make sure there aren't any cables coming out of the back of it.  Don't want a butt pad in there while you are trying to squeeze away!!!

If I offended anyone with my profanity from the previous post, I apologize.

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