My terms are still clear, and I won't bargan. It's all or nothing.

Can't be all that big a fan. I belive they already did one.

"Is this your card?"

Sergeant1107 wrote on Mar 11^th, 2006 at 5:57am:


Only blowhards are you guys. You flap your chops and don't back it up when someone challenges you. That would make you cowards too.

The terms of the original challenge are very one sided. You guys lose nothing where we bare the loss of our livings. You risk nothing and we risk all.

If Countermeasures are not only detected but correctly identified you guys claim "lucky shot". The endless lies and biased statements don't end.

I am looking for an end to it. Make a public offer to put it all on the table or the challenge is worthless. The challenge should be open to all comers.

On the Penn and Teller thing. This as well should be open to all examiners.

Subjects should be picked at random at a neutral place to be sure the pool is not tainted. Subjects should be given only the resources that anyone else would have, this website and the book. 

I highly doubt that George trains everyone how to do this personally.

There should be no practice on an instrument, as an ordinary person would not have access to a polygraph instrument. That would be cheating. 

They should be given 48 hours to read the book and understand it. That should be simple.

They must be physically and mentally fit to undergo an examination and if P&T are looking over everything they will arbitrate any disagreements.

You guys simply made a challenge, I am simply making a counter challenge. So sorry you guys don't like it. See you guys can dish it out but when someone comes up with a dish and a fork you guys yell like children "no fair, I called time out" (that was sarcastic).

It shows how one sided you all are and how afraid you are of the truth. In fact you people feel entitled to lie when you have an obligation to tell the truth. Hell, about 50% of you can't even be honest with yourselves or others, even after you fail the polygraph. Right George? You failed a few didn't ya?

Odds should have been that you should have passed one of them. I guess your body it special, you have piss poor luck, everyone is out to get you or you simply lie to everyone including yourself.

I am sick of seeking you people going on and on unchecked and none of the other examiners not having the sand to call anyone to the carpet.

Fine no one wants to play with me, I except that. Put up and maybe that may encourage one of the leaders in the industry to step up to the plate and take this waste of internet space out.

By the way, I caught another one last week. He admitted it and said he read your book and the Okies Book (Doug you tool). Hell be asking for his refund from Doug on Monday I guess. I gave him a special refund form and a copy of my report.

I just keep catching them.

Later tools, I will not be posting any more. Just watching, to see if you put my counterchallenge on the table. You already made it clear you wouldn't, Shows what you are made of.

I exposed YOU, as the cowards YOU are. You don't even want to back up your published claims with something important. If Your book did what it claims to do then there would be no fear to step up.

Now the Polygraph world sees what you are made of.

"Bullshit"

How do you like me now?

Penn Teller if you are reading this. Penn and Teller Get Killed was a great movie. Where is the sequel? (Just Kidding)

Twoblock wrote on Mar 12^th, 2006 at 6:42am:



First of all the challenge wasn’t to you, so take your ball and go home little man.

Second, I don't represent the APA But George does represent the Antipolygraph board, than this is directed at him.

I believe if you guys had something to lose someone will step up to the plate, just to be rid of you. George and his cronies shot a fire over the bow and I figured I would fire one back and see how confident you guys are.

Mission accomplished, apparently not that confident. 

I have proven that you guys are all talk. I will not consider a lack of response a answer to my counter challenge, and it was the response I expected.

I could have written your responses for you.

Thank you for proving my point. You guys make your dare then hid behind mommy's skirt when someone is brave enough to step up to the plate.

This has proven that you guys are the neighborhood red headed loudmouths that egg people on and run when someone gets sick enough to respond.

Thank you everyone for helping me do this. I am now done with all of you.

It’s just a shame that no one else had the sand to do it.

You have no credibility anymore.

I will continue to catch the readers of your pathetic little book and enjoy it, even take pleasure in it.

Farewell and good bye.

My work here is done.

How do you like me now?

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There was a response. It was that the challenge was issued to the "luminaries" of the polygraph field, i.e. examiners whose credentials are considered unimpeachable by their peers. You have yet to speak a word about your credentials.

Do you not agree that the polygraph elders will run from you like a man on fire if and when you go down in flames, assailing your credentials, calling you a “chart roller,” saying how any EXPERIENCED examiner would have easily detected the countermeasures, etc? Yes, or no?

Every time something goes wrong (which is often when dealing with polygraphy), there arises the same tired refrain: “The test is only as good as the examiner.” Before any type of challenge goes forward, it needs to involve an examiner with gravitas sufficient enough that this cop out will not be available. Somehow, I don’t think you fit the bill.

Twoblock wrote on Mar 12^th, 2006 at 6:42am:


Twoblock,

AntiPolygraph.org has no interest in obtaining the rights to the American Polygraph Association's website (not that Boston/ODIN is in any position to offer such). Unlike Boston/ODIN, AntiPolygraph.org is not interested in silencing those who disagree with us. We don't believe in book-burning.

For me, our First Amendment rights (including freedom of the press and freedom of speech) are something sacred. They're simply not the sort of thing that you make the subject of a wager, even if you're holding five aces.

Note that even if AntiPolygraph.org were somehow to be forced to shut down, as Boston/ODIN so strongly desires, the documentation available here would just be mirrored elsewhere. You can't put the toothpaste back in the tube.

Boston/ODIN complains of "endless lies and biased statements." He remains welcome to point out any such lies or biased statements on this message board, and to support his arguments with facts and reason.

And although Boston/ODIN declined my suggestion that we jointly contact Penn & Teller, I extend this offer to any polygrapher who may be interested.

TwoBlock,

I will venture a guess that our more intellectual polygraphers on this board, must have some opinion on whether they would like ODIN/Boston to represent them as the all mighty / all knowlegeable, antipolygraph dragon slayer. I am sure that the APA, DODPI, etc, would also want such a dynamic, eloquent, and truly inspirational speaker to take on Dr. Richardsons challenge.  I have saved my opinion for a while on this, as ODIN/Boston's rantings have brought much entertainment.  And his show was for free !!! 

Regards ....

I agree with Polyscore.  Just go take the test. If you tell the truth, you will pass the polygraph test.  No if's and's or but's about it.

retcopper wrote on Mar 6^th, 2006 at 6:46pm:


I know that I certainly question the motives of ANY polygrapher that posts on this message board or even reads it.  What would be the point?   Why would a polygrapher care what people thought about polygraphs unless they had something to loss from the truth about them getting out.

I'd also like to hear a polygrapher that has an REAL science degree and actually understands the scientific process. Are there any out there?

Why are the polygraphers that post on here afraid to reveal their real identity?  Again, do they have something to lose by doing so?