You state

"I failed several because I was lying.."

Which doesn't lead one to have any sympathy for your position.

Quote:


. George,

His challenge was accepted in another sting.

You don't want to take the chance of losing antipolygraph.org if that examiner had beat the so called "doctor".

Bottom line if the examiner were to lose publicly the polygraph world would end. If the examiner beats your guy all we get is bragging rights. No, I don't think so.

If the Dr. blows it then the domain and all its ownership and rights gets transferred to the American Polygraph Association, and you never start another antipolygraph site.

I think that is fair, don't you?

Both sides have something to lose then. Time to put up or shut up. Accept or decline and do it now. Or are you not a gambling man?

According to most of the misinformed and brainwashed on the message board you have a 50 50 % chance of winning.

That always made me laugh 50 / 50

That would mean that 50 % of the people that are saying/whining "I took the polygraph and failed, and was telling the truth" are lying themselves according to those numbers. Which 50 % are you in I wonder.

Anyway, there it is. Oh my, the cards are on the table. What ever will you do? You may just have to put yours on the table now too.

Polyscore and Anti Anti:

I share your concerns also.  There are some people who post here who have a legitimate concern and questions about the polygraph but then there are some whose motives I question.

Collider:

Is that your best shot?  How shallow.

Boston

A couple of questions come to mind.

1. If the polygraph operator wins, would he be required  to expose and prove his method of detecting the countermeasures? Sounds right that he should since he is not supposed to be guessing and is supposed to be making a scientific calculation.

2. Who would you suggest to judge the proceedings and results outside of the two parties? Who would pick the judge? There would certainly have to be this third party to be fair.

It would certainly supprise me if you could get the APA to go for this. Did you poll them before you posted.

Boston wrote on Mar 6^th, 2006 at 7:01am:


Misinformed and brainwashed? -- Well that's still nicer than a lot of the things polygraphers have said to me.  Or am I not among those who you consider misinformed and brainwashed?

Boston wrote on Mar 6^th, 2006 at 7:01am:


I don't buy the 50/50 stuff either.  How can you put a number on something like the polygraph's accuracy?  Every test that I take is conducted in a unique manner, which presumably means my odds of passing changes each time.  Based on what I'm told during my tests, I get a sense that most polygraphers don't trust the way most other polygraphers conduct their exams.

Boston wrote on Mar 6^th, 2006 at 7:01am:


Boston wrote on Mar 6^th, 2006 at 9:18pm:


The math is rather simple, but in order to get to 50% of the people on this board being liars you have to make some additional assumptions.  For example, you could make the following two assumptions:

Half the examiness are lying.

People who failed the test while lying are just as likely to post "that they failed a poly and told the truth" as those who failed the test while telling the truth.

However, if you make the following assumptions:

20% of the examiness are lying.

People who failed the test while lying are half as likely to post "that they failed a poly and told the truth" as those who failed the test while telling the truth.

Then, the number drops to 11% of the people who are lying.

Also, interesting to not that you wrote "at least 50%" rather than 50%, nice spinning.

Oh, and how bout telling us what percentage of people who passed their polygraph exams and never post on this site were completely truthfull?  And what percentage of polygraphers are truthfull during the test?


Boston wrote on Mar 6^th, 2006 at 9:18pm:


Interesting way to not accuse him of lying, and a typical tactic of a polygrapher.  Point out an error in their logic, and they suggest you are a liar.  Reminds me of my second polygraph with agency #3.

Onesimus wrote on Mar 7^th, 2006 at 9:39am:



You bitterness is noted.

I didn't come up thith the "50 50" or "toss of the coin" thing.

Funny how when your own words (as a group) are use against you, it causes such a reaction. 

I think thuo doest protest too much

Boston wrote on Mar 7^th, 2006 at 9:30pm:


Boston,

I, too, am a big fan of Penn & Teller. I propose the following:

1) You and I write a joint letter to Penn & Teller proposing that they devote an episode of their television show Bullshit! to answering the question, "Who's full of shit? Polygraph critics who offer countermeasure strategies on-line or polygraph operators who say they can detect countermeasures?"

2) A test involving a statistically significant sampling of examinees will be set up. Some will employ countermeasures, some won't. Some will tell the truth, others won't. I will provide the countermeasure training.

3) If the polygraph examiner (you) succeeds in detecting countermeasures (detection = correct identification at better-than-chance levels of accuracy), AntiPolygraph.org will withdraw Chapter 4 of The Lie Behind the Lie Detector (the chapter on countermeasures) and advise all polygraph examinees not to employ countermeasures.

4) If, on the other hand, you fail to detect the countermeasures (as I am confident will be the case), you can still keep your polygraph license. It is of no value to AntiPolygraph.org. Your embarrassment and humiliation on national television will be reward enough.

What say you?